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Old 12-20-2010, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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a city can easily be coastal and country at the same time (mobile, savannah, pensacola, baton rouge, etc). yes, houston is a port, but it was also a cotton town and is every bit as tied to that culture as dallas is. houston just has a more diverse landscape of regional cultures

it depends on what one means by "country". both cities still retain their southern roots
I lived in both cities. Neither from what I know are country and I grew up in the 1990's so I cant say what they were like before my time. When I was growing up, I found them to be nearly the same, except Houston in my childhood memories was by the coast (we used to go to the beach 2 weekends in every months when I was a kid).

I just think of the show Dallas when I think of Texas in general. And Walker Texas Ranger. Did you know back when I was a kid my mother would put those shows on for me to go to sleep too? I never used to go to bed without watching Full House (San Francisco), Walker Texas Ranger (Dallas), or Dallas (Dallas).

So whenever I thought cowboys and stuff, I would think of a barren desert, with a stable full of horses, and dudes with cowboy hats, and the old west image with the wooden style boutiques and towns and that little dried up hay thing blowing with the wind. And that's what I've personally always visualized Dallas & Fort Worth as.

I really want to experience a city like that, and possibly live there. It's kind of what I've always wanted secretly.

This is what I'm talking about the Old West, this is how I STILL perceive Texas, even though I live here and have NEVER seen this before here.

I don't know how you guys view Texas in general or Dallas but this is how I view Dallas, and I know it looks nothing like this in real life but since I was growing up to now these are the pictures that come to mind when I think Dallas:




And this is what I think of Austin:


And this is what I think of El Paso & San Antonio:


And this is what I think of Houston (Minus the mountains):




Houston = Fishermen/Merchants culture
El Paso = Mexican culture
San Antonio = Mexican culture
Austin = Hippie Central
Dallas = Cowboys
Fort Worth = Old West

I don't know but to me from childhood even living in these places and NOT ever seeing any hint of what I stereotypically view them as, I still think these things the moment I think about these places. This is how they marketed themselves and what they're best known for historically/presently.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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lived in both Houston wins this by far, it's not even close between the two.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Danny brings up a good point. It seems as though a lot of what we think of a particular place is shaped by the media. Houston and Dallas are both in Texas, so people will think country when their names are spoken (particularly of Dallas). But the reality is very different.

Personally, while I love Dallas, I dont find it very friendly. Every country place I have ever been is exceptionally friendly. That in itself makes me think Dallas is not even slightly country.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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^^^This.
Justme02 What is wrong with the post? Nothing! I simply stated positve things about both cities. The perception both cities get from alot of telivision shows, movies, and some of the media is that both cities are "country". I grew up and still live in Houston. I served my country proudly in the U.S. Navy from 92-95. I was allowed through the Navy to see many parts of our wonderful nation and most of the nation still thinks that both Houston and Dallas are still "country". The point I believe Dannyy is making is of the mainstream entertainment's misconcepion of Texas in general. Walker, Texas Ranger. Come on Cordell and lets cath us some bad guys. I'll round up the posse. The shows become a joke on our state and our cities. Does anyone remember the short lived CBS drama Houston Knights? I am sure you do not. It portrayed Houston, Houston the 4th largest city for now in the U.S.A., as typical rednecks. Heck I do not much even like country music just because of what it typifies/stereotypes. So, I will say it again justme02, Houston and Dallas are great metropolitan areas and are very much cosmopolitan and sophisticated cities. What is "country" about that? I hope that this post is more appreciated by all who read it. Thanks, AmberAzeneth!! P.S., You did not tell me who really shot J.R.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Justme02 What is wrong with the post? Nothing! I simply stated positve things about both cities. The perception both cities get from alot of telivision shows, movies, and some of the media is that both cities are "country". I grew up and still live in Houston. I served my country proudly in the U.S. Navy from 92-95. I was allowed through the Navy to see many parts of our wonderful nation and most of the nation still thinks that both Houston and Dallas are still "country". The point I believe Dannyy is making is of the mainstream entertainment's misconcepion of Texas in general. Walker, Texas Ranger. Come on Cordell and lets cath us some bad guys. I'll round up the posse. The shows become a joke on our state and our cities. Does anyone remember the short lived CBS drama Houston Knights? I am sure you do not. It portrayed Houston, Houston the 4th largest city for now in the U.S.A., as typical rednecks. Heck I do not much even like country music just because of what it typifies/stereotypes. So, I will say it again justme02, Houston and Dallas are great metropolitan areas and are very much cosmopolitan and sophisticated cities. What is "country" about that? I hope that this post is more appreciated by all who read it. Thanks, AmberAzeneth!! P.S., You did not tell me who really shot J.R.
No, I think you misread me. I was agreeing with you. When I posted (^^^this) it means I agree with you fully and have no issue with anything you said.

And Im afraid I never really watched Dallas but a few times. I havent the foggiest who shot JR.
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Old 12-20-2010, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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does country mean something else in each region?? if so, is cowboy culture country?

Always heard FW was country, but I thought it was more SWern
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Old 12-20-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: America
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I lived in both cities. Neither from what I know are country and I grew up in the 1990's so I cant say what they were like before my time. When I was growing up, I found them to be nearly the same, except Houston in my childhood memories was by the coast (we used to go to the beach 2 weekends in every months when I was a kid).

I just think of the show Dallas when I think of Texas in general. And Walker Texas Ranger. Did you know back when I was a kid my mother would put those shows on for me to go to sleep too? I never used to go to bed without watching Full House (San Francisco), Walker Texas Ranger (Dallas), or Dallas (Dallas).

So whenever I thought cowboys and stuff, I would think of a barren desert, with a stable full of horses, and dudes with cowboy hats, and the old west image with the wooden style boutiques and towns and that little dried up hay thing blowing with the wind. And that's what I've personally always visualized Dallas & Fort Worth as.

I really want to experience a city like that, and possibly live there. It's kind of what I've always wanted secretly.

This is what I'm talking about the Old West, this is how I STILL perceive Texas, even though I live here and have NEVER seen this before here.

I don't know how you guys view Texas in general or Dallas but this is how I view Dallas, and I know it looks nothing like this in real life but since I was growing up to now these are the pictures that come to mind when I think Dallas:




And this is what I think of Austin:


And this is what I think of El Paso & San Antonio:


And this is what I think of Houston (Minus the mountains):




Houston = Fishermen/Merchants culture
El Paso = Mexican culture
San Antonio = Mexican culture
Austin = Hippie Central
Dallas = Cowboys
Fort Worth = Old West

I don't know but to me from childhood even living in these places and NOT ever seeing any hint of what I stereotypically view them as, I still think these things the moment I think about these places. This is how they marketed themselves and what they're best known for historically/presently.
even still, my point is that houston can and does have that southern and mariner culture going on.
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Old 12-20-2010, 08:43 PM
 
Location: America
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i think the issue here is people having different ideas of what it means to be "country". the word has been used to refer to several different things: it can refer to being socially unrefined and "backwards", it can wild and earthy, it can be used to describe a seemingly rural place, or it can simply be used to just described someone who is from the south and is proud to be from there. it all depends on who you talk to.

i've called fort worth country because that's what it seemed like to me. outside of downtown seemed to be pretty sparsely developed, and there was A LOT of open land around the area
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Old 12-20-2010, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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I'd say Dallas.

Houston has been a more international/ diverse city longer than Dallas. Dallas blacks are more country because they are segregated; unlike blacks in Houston.

When it comes to deeming certain blacks as "country". It's not in the sense that they have an old west lifestyle or live in rural areas. It can really be another word for ghetto.

You put a black Dallasite with a black Houstonian and you will notice a distinct difference between the two. Black Dallasties tend to be more outspoken, loud and vibrant; whereas Black Houstonians are more laid-back, reserved and for the lack of a better word, dull.

I know this comparison is going to fly over people's head, but Black Dallasites remind me of Black New Orleans people (Behavior wise).
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Old 12-20-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: America
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I'd say Dallas.

Houston has been a more international/ diverse city longer than Dallas. Dallas blacks are more country because they are segregated; unlike blacks in Houston.

When it comes to deeming certain blacks as "country". It's not in the sense that they have an old west lifestyle or live in rural areas. It can really be another word for ghetto.

You put a black Dallasite with a black Houstonian and you will notice a distinct difference between the two. Black Dallasties tend to be more outspoken, loud and vibrant; whereas Black Houstonians are more laid-back, reserved and for the lack of a better word, dull.

I know this comparison is going to fly over people's head, but Black Dallasites remind me of Black New Orleans people (Behavior wise).
black houstonians remind me of black atlantans in most ways. i wouldn't use the word "dull" at all, unless you're talking about those who follow that slab culture where they're extra laid back. but the houstonians i've associated with aren't anything like that. i even know some born and raised houston folks who don't even like listening to screw
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