09-25-2011, 06:03 PM
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An opportunity is there to relocate to one of the four places listed driving semi. Corpus Christy was another, but have been told that it is more of a retirement area and more expensive. We currently live in a small town in Wisconsin and the pay rate would be the same from one job to another. Wisconsin's taxes have become ridiculous so any info you may have on the property taxes and home prices in those areas would be helpful. We would like to try to stay in the "small town" atmosphere. What is the least desert like area and origin in these towns. Any info that you can offer on high schools would be great too. Thanks.
09-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Location: Blah
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There is a lot of semi jobs in the Midland / Odessa area due to the oilfield. The problem is housing. People are living in hotels are trailers are work. Homes don't stay for sale long and there is wait list for apartments. So I would locate some housing first before moving.
09-26-2011, 07:36 AM
Location: Edmond, OK
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An opportunity is there to relocate to one of the four places listed driving semi. Corpus Christy was another, but have been told that it is more of a retirement area and more expensive. We currently live in a small town in Wisconsin and the pay rate would be the same from one job to another. Wisconsin's taxes have become ridiculous so any info you may have on the property taxes and home prices in those areas would be helpful. We would like to try to stay in the "small town" atmosphere. What is the least desert like area and origin in these towns . Any info that you can offer on high schools would be great too. Thanks.
If you are looking for the least desert like area, you will definitely want to avoid Midland. I lived there for 17 years, and while I love it, it is not for everyone. It is very isolated compared to the other towns you mentioned which are all in much closer proximity to larger cities like San Antonio, Houston and Corpus Christi. Also it will but you much closer to the ocean if you are interested in that. It's a long drive from Midland to a larger city like San Antonio or Dallas (about 5-6 hour drive to each). On the up side you're only about 5 hours away from skiing in the mountains of New Mexico (Ruidoso).
Midlands economy is based strictly on the oil and gas industry which is on fire there right now. It's a very boom and bust kind of industry and town.
I keep an eye on real estate prices there, because DH has discussed moving back there when we retire in a few years. When I look at the prices I am shocked at what I see. As mentioned before, right now, even finding a place at all is hard right now. I saw on line recently a home in our old neighborhood that was for sale. They were asking $369,000 for this particular house. It was very similar but a bit smaller than our house was. We sold ours 8 years ago for $160,000. We had paid $155,000 5 years earlier. So we made a piddly $5,000 in 5 years. We spent more than that on updating it. If we had been able to keep it just a few more years, we could have more than doubled our money. So even with the national real estate market in the toilet, Midland's is booming. When the oil industry cools off, which it will, because it always does, the real estate values will drop like a rock. I've seen it happen there before.
I can't give specifics about the other 3 towns you mentioned because I've only driven through them, never lived in any of them. Just off what I've seen driving through, Alice would be my least favorite choice. I like the Floresville area, and its proximity to San Antonio. And I like Victoria because its a bit larger, plus it's not a bad drive into the southwestern area of the Houston metro area, which would have anything you might want.
09-26-2011, 09:29 AM
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If you are looking for the least desert like area, you will definitely want to avoid Midland......On the up side you're only about 5 hours away from skiing in the mountains of New Mexico (Ruidoso).
Tried to rep you on this, but......
That pretty well sums it up. I lived there for 30 years--and my dad had been in the oil/gas industry since 1951.....and the same pattern repeats itself, though I don't think that this next downturn will be as horrible as 1984.
09-26-2011, 09:50 AM
Location: Edmond, OK
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Tried to rep you on this, but......I don't think that this next downturn will be as horrible as 1984.
From your lips to God's ears.
09-26-2011, 09:56 AM
Location: Blah
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Tried to rep you on this, but......though I don't think that this next downturn will be as horrible as 1984.
I hope so, 1984 started a down turn that lasted through the 90's! It wasn't until 2000-2001 when oil started rising and things started turning around for Midland. The oilfield is good money but you really want to put money back for the future.
09-26-2011, 10:05 AM
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I hope so, 1984 started a down turn that lasted through the 90's! It wasn't until 2000-2001 when oil started rising and things started turning around for Midland. The oilfield is good money but you really want to put money back for the future .
That is the very hard lesson that some had to learn after 1984. Many lived as if there were no tomorrow....and tomorrow finally came.
I will NEVER forget the day that First National Bank went under. I was working on a jobsite (Amerada Hess) in Seminole. I went to the main trailer to take a report, and you could have heard a pin drop.
Just scary.
09-26-2011, 10:07 AM
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From your lips to God's ears.
I don't ever want to see that again for Midland. If the next bust is even close to what 1984 was, you'll be able to pick up a property that has dropped like a rock!
But even now, you still get a LOT more for your money in terms of housing compared to NM/CO.
The schools have deteriorated, though. Some ratings are dismal, and a large part of that is probably the influx of non-English speaking students. That pulls everything down. I hope the new super can turn things around. Thank God they got rid of the last one due to retirement. They should never have hired him.
09-26-2011, 11:21 AM
Location: Edmond, OK
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We moved back to Midland from Houston while our kids were in the early elementary years. They are now in college. We found the schools to be very good when we arrived, but by the time we moved back to Houston when the kids were in junior high, I could really see them slipping. After leaving, I would talk to friends there and would hear all kinds of bad things about the schools. Friends that had always been very pro public schools, had given in and put their kids in Trinity and Midland Christian. I thought it was so sad to hear. It's such a nice town with so many well educated people. I just hated hearing that the schools were failing. I do hope they can turn them around.
09-26-2011, 11:29 AM
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That is the very hard lesson that some had to learn after 1984. Many lived as if there were no tomorrow....and tomorrow finally came. I will NEVER forget the day that First National Bank went under. I was working on a jobsite (Amerada Hess) in Seminole. I went to the main trailer to take a report, and you could have heard a pin drop.
Nor will I. DH was working for a small independent in Midland, and I was working for a local CPA. It was so scary. DH was just waiting to lose his job. His boss had lots of outstanding debt with the bank and the risk/fear of defaulting on those loans loomed over his office forever. I also remember going to the FDIC auction when they sold off all the art/furniture etc from the bank.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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