Does the possibly of I-345 being destroyed (between I-30 and TX-366) decreases the odds of a I-45 extension to Oklahoma? (Houston: neighborhood, casino)

[nedergras]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

Yeah, but the "Luxury" apartments take the pressure off of cheaper housing. Not building "Luxury" housing in desirable neighbourhoods will ultimately make the cheaper housing even more expensive in the long run than if they didn't build it. The only exception to this is if you intentionally keep the neighbourhood crappy, and even then, that isn't a sure thing either.

The fact is mostly boomer Nimbyism is the reason housing has shot up in so many markets.

I don't think so. It just creates this demand for something people never really needed. All the hype is on living near downtown so the tract home builders are still building but not for millennials anymore.

[nedergras]

And since land is so expensive for being near downtown or having to build over something that already exists, developers won't be building affordable housing.

[JJG]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

So you want to blame your parents now, but at the same time, you are defending keeping it???

I-345 was built in 1973. It was well within the boomers adult lives and they tended to support it. I mean we can blame their parents as well, but they are dead. The boomers are the ones who actually still support it.

Also, I have no issue with interstates, just not using them to destroy urban downtowns and ramming them through poor people's neighbourhoods. I've read the Caro Bio of Bob Moses twice btw as well as Caro's LBJ.

This isn't some "Oh well if you hate these terrible urban interstates you have to hate the whole system" That's a false choice, we could have had them without the racist urban renewal and skyscraper in a park(ing lot) idea of what a CBD is all about.

Also I don't blame my parent's gen X, for the boomer problems. Xers are actually fairly resonable most of the time. THis isn't about just hating my parents, that's the boomers' bit. Millennials actually like our parents. Boomers or the "Me" generation are just objectively a particularly selfish generation. They are fine with out of control spending, driving housing costs up and massive deficits because when the chickens come home to roost they will all be dead. Boomers are the first ever generation to leave the country worse off for their children because as a generation they are unwilling to sacrifice to leave the world a better place as their parents did.

Of course, this should go without saying, but this is a general statement about generations. Particular people vary quite a bit and individuals can be very reasonable. The herd mentality is when it gets dicey.

There's a good George Carlin bit on this...

[ChazG]

Not sure if its been mentioned on here but what about a tunnel connecting I-45 to US-75? A tunnel could function similar to the tunnel that replaced the Seattle viaduct. Tear the elevated roadway down and have most of the traffic flow underground. Reconfigure the interchanges at 30/45 and 75/366 along with surface street entrances and exits to the tunnel.

Maybe with a tunnel you can have the best of both worlds. Just a suggestion


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS0kX_koYVY

[txstate]

still amazed 45 doesn't at least go to the border.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by txstate

still amazed 45 doesn't at least go to the border.

What will be the benefit of 45 going to the border?

[case44]

Originally Posted by HungryBox2001

Is it decreasing the odds to the point where it'll never happen, or could they just easily make US-75 into I-4X (not named I-40, I-44, I-45 nor I-49) as the extension to Oklahoma and Kansas, just in case if I-345 is demolished.

One thing most of us can agree on is that an I-45 extension (in some form) to Oklahoma and Kansas is long overdue.

But let's be honest, the only reason I-345 exists is because they were originally supposed to extend I-45 to Oklahoma and Kansas later, but those plans never happened (and most likely never will)

Regarding your title, tearing down 345 would effectively kill any such idea of extending 45. Tearing it down would be downright stupid, considering how much traffic there is which travels it. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the idea of keeping it and pushing for 45 to get to Tulsa. City officials can get creative with developing areas near and beneath the overhead freeway and how they can better beautify them. It really can't be that hard.

[case44]

Originally Posted by JJG

Nope.

Houston is planning to do something similar to what this post is about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFK6KcBbGA

Hey, JJG! While I didn't agree with Houston's Pierce Elevated removal, they're somehow going through with it anyway. In Dallas, however, they don't have that luxury. All of Dallas' freeways are crowded at rush hour and the city cannot afford to take down any portion of 345. It's going to make the side streets a complete standstill.

Originally Posted by Cd225

If I-345 is taken down, it seems like to extend 45 you re-route it around 635.

Why would anyone reroute I-45 eleven miles out of the way and add an hour to people's travel times? People in the northern suburbs travel to Houston and Galveston just as much as people from the southern stretches want to come here and to the Oklahoma casinos. TXDOT could never do anything that stupid. Way too impractical.

[Cd225]

Originally Posted by case44

Why would anyone reroute I-45 eleven miles out of the way and add an hour to people's travel times? People in the northern suburbs travel to Houston and Galveston just as much as people from the southern stretches want to come here and to the Oklahoma casinos. TXDOT could never do anything that stupid. Way too impractical.

Did you mean to say, "Why would anyone add two minutes to people's drive times?"

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by case44

Hey, JJG! While I didn't agree with Houston's Pierce Elevated removal, they're somehow going through with it anyway. In Dallas, however, they don't have that luxury. All of Dallas' freeways are crowded at rush hour and the city cannot afford to take down any portion of 345. It's going to make the side streets a complete standstill.



Why would anyone reroute I-45 eleven miles out of the way and add an hour to people's travel times? People in the northern suburbs travel to Houston and Galveston just as much as people from the southern stretches want to come here and to the Oklahoma casinos. TXDOT could never do anything that stupid. Way too impractical.

Oh hi Robert Moses!

It won't add and hour.

Why would we ever do anything that could slightly inconvenience your trip to Galviston? I guess I forgot that removing minor inconveniences for the suburbs was the goal of Dallas transportation. My bad.