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Are people here anti social or what? the women here are absolotely reclusive and narcisstic and stuck up it takes a long time to get laid here its very hard to get laid in Toronto unless if theirs that 2/10 scale girl that is desperate for sex although she is very hideous here in Toronto the 10/10 women are inaccessible and I don't know whats with this place but people here are just dynamically dysfuntioned and have no interest at all in meeting new people I don't know if its me or them but ive been living here my whole life and I regret living here I wanna MOVE! I have been on vacation to many places and in my entire life in Paris and London I have never met so many women and even in Montreal! the eye contact is there with the women and the conservativeness is put aside the women all over the world I met are something compared to the nothing they have here in Toronto... read this article this might give you and idea what Toronto is really like but my question is why? why is Toronto like this?
The article is stupid, but your post is pretty true. I've got to agree with most of what you wrote. Toronto women who are even somewhat attractive tend to act stush, unapproachable, and stuck up. No, they don't smile at guys, they don't give off "signals" like normal girls the world over. They strut down the street with their shades on and their faces buried in their phones and pretend the world doesn't exist. If a Mercedes convertible rolls up beside them, they might look over to see what kind of guy is driving. Otherwise, trying to meet women in public places in this city is not fun. You can try and flirt with them - I do. But don't expect to get a phone number, and expect to be ignored nine times out of ten.
Now if the girl is very attractive - don't even bother. They think they walk between the rain drops.
Of course, I'm speaking in a general manner. There are always exceptions. I'm not sure why GTA girls are like this. I grew up here and remember girls acting like this even when I was in high school. I've pretty much always had a GF since I was 17, so it was never a problem for me until I became single a few years ago. But even when I was in a relationship I would always complain about the frigid attitudes of Toronto girls towards men in general, and my GF and female friends always agreed with me. In Toronto, signs of wealth and influence are what many women find attractive - physical attractiveness and charisma seem to be much less important. I'm an attractive young guy who takes care of himself, dresses well, stays in good physical shape, and has no problem interacting with women, but it hasn't helped me meet any women since I became single. The problem is that I'm poor, which makes me quite unappealing to members of the fairer sex.
A bit of an aside here, but when we were still living in Halifax we caught a show called "Princess", hosted by Gail Vaz-Oxlade, where she tried to curb the insane spending habits and complete financial ineptitude of pampered princess-types. A lesson in futility, but whatever.
Most of the girls were from the GTA, and it was quite an eye-opener to see the attitude of these girls, how they imagined themselves to be these super-attractive divas worthy of worship and entitled to every single thing they desired. Most were chunky, hardly attractive in any traditional sense, and had the personalities of Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Zsa Zsa Gabor, and Leona Helmsley all rolled into one.
In short, their self-perception was based on some twisted funhouse mirror in their minds and nothing close to reality. They were nothing more than ungrateful, manipulative, unattractive, self-obsessed brats. They offered nothing of value, yet expected the world to fall at their feet. It was amazing to watch and wonder what planet they were living on.
I thought they were just playing it up for the cameras, seeing as how most people on these types of shows aspire to be models (lol) and actresses (double lol) and are just trying to be "noticed". Then I moved here.
The article is stupid, but your post is pretty true. I've got to agree with most of what you wrote. Toronto women who are even somewhat attractive tend to act stush, unapproachable, and stuck up. No, they don't smile at guys, they don't give off "signals" like normal girls the world over. They strut down the street with their shades on and their faces buried in their phones and pretend the world doesn't exist. If a Mercedes convertible rolls up beside them, they might look over to see what kind of guy is driving. Otherwise, trying to meet women in public places in this city is not fun. You can try and flirt with them - I do. But don't expect to get a phone number, and expect to be ignored nine times out of ten.
Now if the girl is very attractive - don't even bother. They think they walk between the rain drops.
Of course, I'm speaking in a general manner. There are always exceptions. I'm not sure why GTA girls are like this. I grew up here and remember girls acting like this even when I was in high school. I've pretty much always had a GF since I was 17, so it was never a problem for me until I became single a few years ago. But even when I was in a relationship I would always complain about the frigid attitudes of Toronto girls towards men in general, and my GF and female friends always agreed with me. In Toronto, signs of wealth and influence are what many women find attractive - physical attractiveness and charisma seem to be much less important. I'm an attractive young guy who takes care of himself, dresses well, stays in good physical shape, and has no problem interacting with women, but it hasn't helped me meet any women since I became single. The problem is that I'm poor, which makes me quite unappealing to members of the fairer sex.
I agree with some of what you are saying but not all of it. Of course we are entitled to speak from personal experience. Firstly, I do agree that Toronto women do have their "guard" up moreso than your average American or European woman. But at the end of the day, I don't think the women are any different from anywhere else once you get past this. These same threads keep coming up even now and then and I think part of the problem is that most men can't get past these women's guard. So you have standoffish women (at least on the outside) + non-aggressive men = less people not having a good time. Perhaps our reserved, civil Canadian behavior prevents more people from breaking the ice on both sides. For instance, I had a couple of buddies (single) from NYC come up to TO for a wedding and they brought their "I'm the sh$t because I'm from NYC" attitude and found the women in TO bars were "easy" and that most people seemed "nice" but in a "gentle" kind of way.
What I disagree with is that Toronto women are driven entirely by money. I find they tend to focus more on physical looks and "perceived" hipness (oh, tattoos your 'cool', right?!?). I also found most Toronto women don't care too much about education/intellect so having several degrees will not help one pick up in TO whereas women in NY/Boston seem to assign a lot of points to men with fancy degrees. You assume Toronto women are all about money but I don't think they are that different from anywhere else in this regard. They will place more emphasis on money starting in the late 20s when they are looking to settle down, but this is normal because no one prefers to marry someone with no $ especially in an expensive city. If one has no $ then the focus has to be on more down-to-earth women, and there are plenty of good ones if you look. I'm also seeing girl here in Boston who previously lived in Toronto (born in Montreal) so go figure.
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What I disagree with is that Toronto women are driven entirely by money. I find they tend to focus more on physical looks and "perceived" hipness (oh, tattoos your 'cool', right?!?).
This is a very good point, and I should have mentioned it. Another thing that will make you popular with the ladies in Toronto is belonging to one of the many sub-cultures that are popular here and advertising your membership in any way possible, be it tattoos, long boards, hipster wear, patronizing the right social spots whilst wearing the right clothes, knowing the lingo of that sub-culture and patronizing the music and culture venues where that sub-culture is celebrated. These are all viable ways to meet women in TO, who often tend to value appearances over substance.
Women in Toronto are big on "scenesters" - those who fit the "cool" niche sub-cultures of the day and have cred among the other scenesters in that group. So right now, having tats, wearing stylish non-prescription eye-wear, knowing where to get the best ramen in the city for cheap, knowing and loving indie bands, having a typical hipster wardrobe and a snarky, ironic attitude, whilst loading your speech full of cultural memes and buzz-words recognized by other scenesters in your niche will always be a boon to single guys, because it gives you an instant social group within which there will be single women looking to meet other guys involved in the same "scene".
As for the guys (like me) who are not part of any real scene, or do not choose to wear my affiliations and preferences on my sleeve - in other words, guys who are more low-key about their interests - often find ourselves on the outside looking in. I'm into tons of different music, I don't adhere to a particular style, but instead mix and match items I like from all the different styles out there, cannot be labeled or categorized based on my looks or likes, have two degrees and am working on a third, value open-mindedness and worldliness, a great sense of humor, and personality more so than a woman who is heavily involved in the fashion "scene" or whichever scene, and only dates guys whose outward appearance affirms that he will fit into that woman's world perfectly - that he can be shown-off to friends who will appreciate those qualities that are important to them.
So for us guys who are into a bit of everything and could give a flying turd about what is hip at the moment, where do we fit in? Being physically attractive and charismatic and intelligent and funny isn't enough any more in this town. You either have to be wealthy, project power and influence, or be a recognized member of one of the various hot scenes in Toronto, and have the badges to prove it.
If you don't belong in any of these favoured groups, the best you can hope for is meeting a girl at school or work, being introduced to a girl through your network of friends (if you have one), getting lucky while flirting with girls you meet and getting a phone number, finding yourself in a situation where you have the opportunity to talk to a woman you find attractive for a while (for example, getting stuck in an elevator, or having a fender-bender, or maybe being seated at a table with a nice girl at a downtown Chinese restaurant, or having a receptive female help you at a store where you're shopping). Other than situations like this, it is very difficult to meet intelligent, attractive girls in Toronto. And I don't just mean for sex. And typically when you do come across a cool, friendly, unpretentious, attractive, intelligent girl while going about your daily business, you very quickly find out that they have a boyfriend or husband .
Are people here anti social or what? the women here are absolotely reclusive and narcisstic and stuck up it takes a long time to get laid here its very hard to get laid in Toronto unless if theirs that 2/10 scale girl that is desperate for sex although she is very hideous here in Toronto the 10/10 women are inaccessible and I don't know whats with this place but people here are just dynamically dysfuntioned and have no interest at all in meeting new people I don't know if its me or them but ive been living here my whole life and I regret living here I wanna MOVE! I have been on vacation to many places and in my entire life in Paris and London I have never met so many women and even in Montreal! the eye contact is there with the women and the conservativeness is put aside the women all over the world I met are something compared to the nothing they have here in Toronto... read this article this might give you and idea what Toronto is really like but my question is why? why is Toronto like this?
This gets said about EVERY city in the world. Vancouver is a favourite of the " oh woe is me " crowd.
As for you questioning " is it you? " the obvious answer is yes, or should I say your mindset. I bet when you go on holiday you have different experiences than at home.
Start from there.
^^^ Nothing is more annoying than hipsters who try so hard to be different and end up all looking and acting the same everywhere you go. All the ones you see in Cambridge here to the ones you see on Queen West/Dundas in TO come off as trying too hard. Well, they are a harmless bunch who want to be different and that's fine but this style/scene has become so ubiquitous now that I'm tired of seeing it and I'm not even a part of it.
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