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Lets make sure we focus the blame where it should go, Toyota, not the innocent victims.
You do realize that Ford has far more safety recalls than Toyota. In fact, safety recalls for Ford represents 34% of all safety recalls while Toyota ranked 5th or 6th with only 11%. This whole thing has gotten way out of control, and I believe much of it is political. Even Congress is acting like Toyota has been found guilty of wrongdoing when the lawsuits haven't even reached the discovery stage yet. Amazing.
You do realize that Ford has far more safety recalls than Toyota. In fact, safety recalls for Ford represents 34% of all safety recalls while Toyota ranked 5th or 6th with only 11%. This whole thing has gotten way out of control, and I believe much of it is political. Even Congress is acting like Toyota has been found guilty of wrongdoing when the lawsuits haven't even reached the discovery stage yet. Amazing.
It's not that fact or even total number of recalls that really matters. It's the manner in which they are handled. Had Toyota come out upfront and said they had this sudden acceleration problem and weren't sure of the cause, people would have had a lot more respect for them since they were being honest. Saying it was the floormat and then saying it was the accelerator pedal and not coming clean is what has caused the huge uproar. It always pays to be honest.
**I cannot type today at all, so please disregard all my freaking typos.
It's not that fact or even total number of recalls that really matters. It's the manner in which they are handled. Had Toyota come out upfront and said they had this sudden acceleration problem and weren't sure of the cause, poeple would have had a lot more respect for them since they were being honest. Saying it was the floormat and then saying it was the accelerator pedal and not coming clean is what has caused the huge uproar. It always pays to be honest.
Let's put our Federal agency (NHTSA) in the mix also! They are the ones that require recalls if the car makers don't do it themselves.
You have probably heard the testimony that Toyota's engineers have not be able to duplicate the UA. You have also probably heard that Exponent (used by NASA to find out what caused the Columbia tradegy) has not been able to duplicate the UA. I also believe there is a problem with the ECU, but until the actual problem can be identified - nothing can be done. Toyota has decided to flash what ECUs it can to put brake overrides in the software package. But that still does not explain the UA complaints. They're trying to find a problem, but can't thus far. What else can be done?
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The only time the steering wheel will lock is if the transmission is put into Park. Slipping the gearshift into neutral and turning off the key, or killing the engine by holding in the pushbutton on newer cars, will not lock the steering wheel.
Can you imagine the odds of four different and isolated systems (ECU, transmission, brakes, parking brake) all failing simultaneously that all prevented you from stopping? No way!!!!!!!!!!
What's your source for claiming they are isolated?
Can you imagine the odds of four different and isolated systems (ECU, transmission, brakes, parking brake) all failing simultaneously that all prevented you from stopping? No way!!!!!!!!!!
So what does that have to do with people suddenly accelarating into traffic, off the road because they were too fast for a corner, into a wall.....however they died? Were you thinking that they should have realized....'oh, my car's ECU may be bad, I must do X....oh, X didn't work, I must do Y...oh Y didn't work, I must do Z ' in the seconds before they died? I bet all the isolated systems didn't matter because people were going "WTF!" right before death.
Hey, you're stopped at a crosswalk waiting for someone to cross the street. Suddenly, your car runs them over. Maybe you should have put the car in neutral? Took the key out of the ignition? No way!!!!!, there's like at least 4 isolated systems to keep that from happening right?
Just how much time do you think people that were killed by their toyota's or killed others with their toyota's had to figure any of this out and respond? How long has people made claims about it....ones that survived and told Toyota **** was bjorked? And Toyota did nothing but say...can't be duplicated. Is that a good enough answer for you? How about if many people kept on telling them that and they still say....'can't be duplicated' . So if you get a bunch of reports that tell you really life threatening things are wrong with your product, but you can't duplicate the problem, then obviously there is no problem? I mean, what else are they suppose to do?
Also, all the recent claims that this was the cause of death for others.....maybe they didn't know where to point the finger before, but with all that has come out, it doesn't mean that they aren't pointing the finger in the correct direction.
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So what does that have to do with people suddenly accelarating into traffic, off the road because they were too fast for a corner, into a wall.....however they died? Were you thinking that they should have realized....'oh, my car's ECU may be bad, I must do X....oh, X didn't work, I must do Y...oh Y didn't work, I must do Z ' in the seconds before they died? I bet all the isolated systems didn't matter because people were going "WTF!" right before death.
Hey, you're stopped at a crosswalk waiting for someone to cross the street. Suddenly, your car runs them over. Maybe you should have put the car in neutral? Took the key out of the ignition? No way!!!!!, there's like at least 4 isolated systems to keep that from happening right?
Just how much time do you think people that were killed by their toyota's or killed others with their toyota's had to figure any of this out and respond? How long has people made claims about it....ones that survived and told Toyota **** was bjorked? And Toyota did nothing but say...can't be duplicated. Is that a good enough answer for you? How about if many people kept on telling them that and they still say....'can't be duplicated' . So if you get a bunch of reports that tell you really life threatening things are wrong with your product, but you can't duplicate the problem, then obviously there is no problem? I mean, what else are they suppose to do?
Also, all the recent claims that this was the cause of death for others.....maybe they didn't know where to point the finger before, but with all that has come out, it doesn't mean that they aren't pointing the finger in the correct direction.
More than one of these accidents happened on Interstate highways where the driver or passenger had enough time to call 9-1-1 or spouse. Those are the ones I'm talking about.
If the problem cannot be duplicated it may not be a good answer, but you can't just create an answer that's incorrect out-of-the-blue! They're trying to find the problem. Multiple sources are trying, including the company that was hired by NASA to find the cause of the Columbia tradegy. Others are invited to find Toyota's problem. Can't find it yet. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe never. What in hell do you want them to do...other than try to find the cause?
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to call 9-1-1 or spouse. Those are the ones I'm talking about.
