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Old 07-10-2012, 07:10 PM
 
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651 counts against one individual - over a 5 year period - and there was no suspicion regarding this person previously - are you kidding me? Worse than outrageous.

Guilty plea: Child rapist was accused of giving girls 'special juice' before assaults - U.S. News
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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651 counts against one individual - over a 5 year period - and there was no suspicion regarding this person previously - are you kidding me? Worse than outrageous.

Guilty plea: Child rapist was accused of giving girls 'special juice' before assaults - U.S. News
I've ofen wondered why they don't execute these types on Pay-Per-View and allow the public to vote on the method (strung up with piano wire, drawn and quartered, fed to a great white shark, etc) for $5 a call and give all the proceeds to the victims and/or their families.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Between West Chester and Chester, PA
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Kill the subhuman scumbag with fire!
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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I've ofen wondered why they don't execute these types on Pay-Per-View and allow the public to vote on the method (strung up with piano wire, drawn and quartered, fed to a great white shark, etc) for $5 a call and give all the proceeds to the victims and/or their families.

"Waayyyyyyyy back when" - when offenders were placed in pillars in the public square - I am wondering if some type of public humiliation, at the very very very first offense of anything, would or could be a deterrent for future crimes. I understand the concept of 'cruel and unusual punishment' however, if something as rudimentary as public humiliation could prevent future crimes. Clearly, not in all cases would this gesture be productive nor work, but I am thinking, what about that young kid who opts to torture an animal - we know that such an action could be deemed a precursor to other crimes, but what if that sole pillar in the public square made such an impact on that kid, that he never did it again - or what about that bully who was now humiliated - maybe that would prevent him from bullying again.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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I've ofen wondered why they don't execute these types on Pay-Per-View and allow the public to vote on the method (strung up with piano wire, drawn and quartered, fed to a great white shark, etc) for $5 a call and give all the proceeds to the victims and/or their families.

"Waayyyyyyyy back when" - when offenders were placed in pillars in the public square - I am wondering if some type of public humiliation, at the very very very first offense of anything, would or could be a deterrent for future crimes. I understand the concept of 'cruel and unusual punishment' however, if something as rudimentary as public humiliation could prevent future crimes. Clearly, not in all cases would this gesture be productive nor work, but I am thinking, what about that young kid who opts to torture an animal - we know that such an action could be deemed a precursor to other crimes, but what if that sole pillar in the public square made such an impact on that kid, that he never did it again - or what about that bully who was now humiliated - maybe that would prevent him from bullying again.
Its possible it would work on bullies or the kid showing signs of animal cruelty. I have a friend who managed a department in one of the Marts. When shoplifters were caught red handed, they were escorted by security around the store, then , to the front where the check outs were. I suppose the theory was the same, public humiliation.

Sex offenders, I wouldn't count on it. Their brains are wired differently, like sociopaths.

Thats similar to thinking restraining orders prevent future violence saving DV victims lives.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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This man is a Pedophile...and he should be in jail for the rest of his life, along with Sandusky
What I think people don't get or forget is that REAL pedophiles are master manipulators. probably why he wasn't caught

Also,I must once again, reiterate, that 'sex offender" is a broad term that encompasses all sorts of things from public urination and mooning to rape and everything in between
Because of this broad umbrella the recidivism rate of "sex offenders" is quite low, while the recidivism rate for those who have been classified as pedophiles is quite high.
This is, in part, why we need reform.
Maybe if more resources were targeted properly, less children and adults would be hurt

As for public executions and the like, IMO only sick people would want to view it...sure let them pay per view, and then round them up (based on the PPV records) and get those sickos off the street, cos I don't want them anywhere near me.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Its possible it would work on bullies or the kid showing signs of animal cruelty. I have a friend who managed a department in one of the Marts. When shoplifters were caught red handed, they were escorted by security around the store, then , to the front where the check outs were. I suppose the theory was the same, public humiliation.
Sex offenders, I wouldn't count on it. Their brains are wired differently, like sociopaths.
Thats similar to thinking restraining orders prevent future violence saving DV victims lives.

I agree with you -- some offenses, I think public humiliation is in order; and, how true, sociopaths, no humiliation is going to make a difference, I believe, other than to make them more angry and dangerous. I do think in occasions, perhaps rare occasions, a restraining order can be helpful in keeping an offender away = but only when that offender knows the victim/survivor will pursue a violation of that restraining order. Of course, if a batterer intends on getting that victim/survivor, they are, no matter what. A RFA order is by no means an invisible protective shield. The story of Tracy Thurman can certainly attest to that, as well as many others.

Thanks for your response Virgode.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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This man is a Pedophile...and he should be in jail for the rest of his life, along with Sandusky
What I think people don't get or forget is that REAL pedophiles are master manipulators. probably why he wasn't caught

Also,I must once again, reiterate, that 'sex offender" is a broad term that encompasses all sorts of things from public urination and mooning to rape and everything in between
Because of this broad umbrella the recidivism rate of "sex offenders" is quite low, while the recidivism rate for those who have been classified as pedophiles is quite high.
This is, in part, why we need reform.
Maybe if more resources were targeted properly, less children and adults would be hurt

As for public executions and the like, IMO only sick people would want to view it...sure let them pay per view, and then round them up (based on the PPV records) and get those sickos off the street, cos I don't want them anywhere near me.
Indeed. Public execution is for sickos.

Sex offender is a broad term, I should've been specific in my post.
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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For your reading pleasure; and some of these are pretty gruesome - perhaps, there is some value to reintroducing stocks and pillories - I am not sure where one would set them up in Manhattan or other similarly large city...however....

Stocks and pillories. The Humiliation - Medieval crime and punishment
please note: these are not my typos [smile];

Law and order of Pillory and Stocks

Pillory Stocks Punishment - Ask.com
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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I've ofen wondered why they don't execute these types on Pay-Per-View and allow the public to vote on the method (strung up with piano wire, drawn and quartered, fed to a great white shark, etc) for $5 a call and give all the proceeds to the victims and/or their families.

"Waayyyyyyyy back when" - when offenders were placed in pillars in the public square - I am wondering if some type of public humiliation, at the very very very first offense of anything, would or could be a deterrent for future crimes. I understand the concept of 'cruel and unusual punishment' however, if something as rudimentary as public humiliation could prevent future crimes. Clearly, not in all cases would this gesture be productive nor work, but I am thinking, what about that young kid who opts to torture an animal - we know that such an action could be deemed a precursor to other crimes, but what if that sole pillar in the public square made such an impact on that kid, that he never did it again - or what about that bully who was now humiliated - maybe that would prevent him from bullying again.

To answer that question, consider how much lower the crime rate was in the days of the pillory and the stocks. Public humiliation is the BEST intervention (and definitely the cheapest!) when you're dealing with an antisocial member of a social species. If everypone knows your face, and you know everyone is watching you, you are a LOT less likely to re-offend.
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