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Star Trek to me is a show that was excellent in its many iterations, but which was perhaps overexposed by the time we got to Enterprise. The writers had run out of ideas. The characters had become boring. I think it deserved to go on hiatus for an extended period, which it did. I'm not sure I buy the remake by JJ Abrams, though. To me it doesn't feel like Star Trek.
It's "against the grain" here, but among critics I think DS9 is quite widely seen as the better show. I know of many who feel it is the best Trek series. I certainly preferred DS9 to Voyager as Voyager was downright awful for much of seasons 2 and 3.
I think DS9 turned some off for being quite different. At times I think it did go a bit too far in being darker and more cynical than the rest of the Trek Universe. The Federation was shown as having something close to an amoral "Secret Police", which is the main thing I thought was going a bit too far. On top of that Sisko poisoned a planet once, during the occupation Odo turned in some Bajorans to be executed, Kira was a former terrorist, a member of the Maquis was allowed to give a full speech comparing the Federation to the Borg, and the whole idea of Utopia was questioned. (Questioned more than rejected, I don't think it was totally rejecting the values of the Federation just putting them up to scrutiny) In comparison Voyager was way more comforting to the Trek Universe, bordering on being a candy-land. Despite being completely alone their ship never really gets permanently run-down and they never really ran into a situation where Starfleet principles were counter-productive. And for the most part the Maquis quickly assimilate into the Starfleet way of doing things with only minimal tension. They didn't even try to make some kind of "fusion government" between the two or in the rare cases they tried it was generally to show the Federation-way was better.
To give DS9 a bit more exposure.
I was a kid when DS9 came out. I watched the Trek movies and TNG with my Dad. Neither me nor my Dad liked DS9 when it came out. It was very different. The whole idea of them being on one station seemed really boring. The politics on the show initially were also hard to follow if you didn't necessarily watch every episode.
That said, Trek usually takes a couple of seasons to become good, and DS9 didn't really get good until the Dominion was introduced. I got into DS9 more towards the end in the final few seasons, and then afterwards went back and watched all the episodes.
Originally Posted by blazertrek50 Do you read any fictional books? Do you enjoy the use of your imagination? Do you own a TVset, have you ever ?
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Originally Posted by nightcrawler
1- Yes, I read fictional books from time to time.
2- Yes, I use my imagination all the time.
3- Yes, I own 3 televisions
4- Have I ever, what?
blazertrek50, you are taling about a TV show and not liking it does not indicate nightcrawler's or anyone else's poor reading habits or lack of imagination.
I watched a few Star Trek episodes in the late 60's when it first aired and did not care for it. I thought the acting was bad. Except for maybe stories by Harlan Ellison and a few others I found the the plots pretty lame. I didn't like the captain getting the girl all the time and the skimpy outfits the women wore were pretty darn sexist. None of this reflected Roddenbury's vision of the Prime Directive. That fell to the wayside by Hollywood sensationalism.
I did enjoy Star Trek The Next Generation. The people were more believable and it was more like Roddenbury had in mind in his original concept. I also like DS9. After that I just kind of drifted away.
One of the best science fiction show series I ever watched was "Blake's7" a British import. "Star Cops" was another good British import. "Firefly" was great too.
But to address the original question posed on this thread; "Star Trek," the original to me meant just a blah TV scifi show.
Originally Posted by blazertrek50 Do you read any fictional books? Do you enjoy the use of your imagination? Do you own a TVset, have you ever ?
blazertrek50, you are taling about a TV show and not liking it does not indicate nightcrawler's or anyone else's poor reading habits or lack of imagination.
I watched a few Star Trek episodes in the late 60's when it first aired and did not care for it. I thought the acting was bad. Except for maybe stories by Harlan Ellison and a few others I found the the plots pretty lame. I didn't like the captain getting the girl all the time and the skimpy outfits the women wore were pretty darn sexist. None of this reflected Roddenbury's vision of the Prime Directive. That fell to the wayside by Hollywood sensationalism.
I did enjoy Star Trek The Next Generation. The people were more believable and it was more like Roddenbury had in mind in his original concept. I also like DS9. After that I just kind of drifted away.
One of the best science fiction show series I ever watched was "Blake's7" a British import. "Star Cops" was another good British import. "Firefly" was great too.
But to address the original question posed on this thread; "Star Trek," the original to me meant just a blah TV scifi show.
For someone that thinks Star Trek (TOS) was a "blah" TV Show, you certainly did watch allot of episodes so yes that qualifies you to earn a 2 star imagination (rated by Neilsen)
For someone that thinks Star Trek (TOS) was a "blah" TV Show, you certainly did watch allot of episodes so yes that qualifies you to earn a 2 star imagination (rated by Nielsen)
Where do you get a lot? I watched a few when it first started and then a couple more in reruns later on. When I saw in the TV guide Harlan Ellison of whom I am a fan and have met, wrote an episode, I made certain to watch it. Good story but again bad acting.
If you judge a person's intelligence by whether or not they enjoyed a TV show you certainly have a very narrow scope of intellect. So I have to ask you; do you read books, go to movies, take courses just to learn a subject, watch educational shows on TV as well as entertaining ones, have you ever seen a play?
Look, when it comes to TV shows, I know everyone their likes and dislikes. I don't expect everyone to like what I like or dislike and I should not be expected to like or dislike other people's preferences. If you enjoyed it and lived your life by it fine. That's great. But don't make yourself look foolish by judging a person's intellect by whether or not they feel the same about it.
Star 2 imagination? I have written short stories, plays and been a part of a writing team. I also have done a lot of preforming both monologues and in plays. I think that takes quite a bit of imagination.
I would be interested in your accomplisments in the area of imagination. Watching a TV show doesn't count unless of course you wrote it.
Where do you get a lot? I watched a few when it first started and then a couple more in reruns later on. When I saw in the TV guide Harlan Ellison of whom I am a fan and have met, wrote an episode, I made certain to watch it. Good story but again bad acting.
If you judge a person's intelligence by whether or not they enjoyed a TV show you certainly have a very narrow scope of intellect. So I have to ask you; do you read books, go to movies, take courses just to learn a subject, watch educational shows on TV as well as entertaining ones, have you ever seen a play?
Look, when it comes to TV shows, I know everyone their likes and dislikes. I don't expect everyone to like what I like or dislike and I should not be expected to like or dislike other people's preferences. If you enjoyed it and lived your life by it fine. That's great. But don't make yourself look foolish by judging a person's intellect by whether or not they feel the same about it.
Star 2 imagination? I have written short stories, plays and been a part of a writing team. I also have done a lot of preforming both monologues and in plays. I think that takes quite a bit of imagination.
I would be interested in your accomplisments in the area of imagination. Watching a TV show doesn't count unless of course you wrote it.
Aww, I apologize, I didn't mean this to be so serious, it was kind of "tongue in cheek" if you know what I mean. Hey my wife doesn't like science fiction at all so I am constantly ribbing her about using her imagination, she chuckles and gives it right back to me. That is awesome that you have written some short stories. You obviously have a wonderful imagination, and I will challenge anyone who says different
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