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Old 09-06-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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You think it's going to happen?

I saw it originally with the CNN app on my phone, but since I can't find it from here, here's an older article:
Where the Candidates Stand on Puerto Rican Statehood | Fox News Latino
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:21 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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I think you're dreaming where the title of your thread is concerned as to the best of my knowledge no such ultimatum has even been contemplated. The 6 month old article which you linked simply reports the individual candidate's opinions on the right of Puerto Ricans to determine their own status by referendum and on which they all of course agree. An ultimatum by the President? Very funny.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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The problem is that certain options on the referendum are not approved by the Federal government; most notably "ELA Soberano"/'Sovereign Commonwealth".

The only approved options are Statehood, the colonial/territorial Commonwealth (aka the status quo), and independence (with or without a Compact of Free Association that Congress has said would NOT include US citizenship and blank checks from Uncle Sam). "ELA Soberano" would thus require full independence first and then the Free Association deal be worked out.

Also the Democratic Party has never specifically ruled out the status quo. The Republican Party is however exclusively either statehood or independence, get in or get out.

What Obama and the Dems said was that status needs to be resolved, they did not specific which status they prefer - most likely to avoid alienating the pro-commonwealth PPD which is linked with the national Democratic Party.
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Old 09-06-2012, 03:13 PM
 
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You think it's going to happen?

I saw it originally with the CNN app on my phone, but since I can't find it from here, here's an older article:
Where the Candidates Stand on Puerto Rican Statehood | Fox News Latino
This would be a gift to the Republicans. That's all Obama needs to surely loose this election, he's on a thin thread as it is.

Think about It:

Even the thought of admitting Puerto Rico would put the Conservatives and Tea Party in hysteria mode. If it ever happened the island would have more political represenation in Congress than 27 states. It'll be a state where 90% doesn't understand English, and 60% live on the dole. Statehood will give us $$$$ parity with the other 50 states without paying much federal taxes because most PR's live under the federal poverty line.

Now come on, how is this in the best interests of the United States when whites feel threatened that they'll loose political power to exploding non-white populations?

Although Puerto Ricans won't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, that doesn't mean Americans won't kill it for us and present us with another deal more in tune with THEIR NATIONAL INTERESTS.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Truth or Consequences, NM
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Most people that I met in San Juan did speak English and Spanish. Puerto Rico should have been a state 30 years ago.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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There are alot of Republicans in Puerto Rico ... and they arent RINOs either. People have to understand that island Puerto Ricans are NOT the same as Nuyoricans.

Who cares about language. Just because one does not speak English does not mean they cannot share the same values and beliefs.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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There are alot of Republicans in Puerto Rico ... and they arent RINOs either. People have to understand that island Puerto Ricans are NOT the same as Nuyoricans.

Who cares about language. Just because one does not speak English does not mean they cannot share the same values and beliefs.
The vast majority of republicans in the US would disagree about language. I'm not a republican.
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Old 10-14-2012, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Shreveport, LA
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There are alot of Republicans in Puerto Rico ... and they arent RINOs either. People have to understand that island Puerto Ricans are NOT the same as Nuyoricans.

Who cares about language. Just because one does not speak English does not mean they cannot share the same values and beliefs.
Kind of what I was thinking...

For convenience, it would be nice to phase English in... but that isn't as important as what it is being made out to be...

(PS: I am a right-leaning Libertarian)
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:52 AM
 
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Kind of what I was thinking...

For convenience, it would be nice to phase English in... but that isn't as important as what it is being made out to be...

(PS: I am a right-leaning Libertarian)
I completely disagree! It is, not merely important, but CRITICAL that residents in Puerto Rico - a territory of English speaking USA - be fluent English speakers.

English is the language of business and commerce. To move ahead in mainland USA one MUST have a solid understanding of The Language of The Land.

And how awkward, I live in a predominantly Asian community in SoCal. I frequently meet recent arrivals, mostly from Mainland China, Taiwan, and The Philippines. Without exception, each person I've met from these countries has a fairly good understanding of the English language and are ANXIOUSLY EAGER to improve their English skills.

It is a well known fact in SoCal that Asians move up the economic ladder in a fairly short period of time after their arrival. Ironically, Asians are sometimes accused of having some form of "unfair advantage" by many newly arrived Latinos. Contrary to Asians, many newly arrived Latinos do little to improve their English skills. As a result, they have little choice but to work in minimum wage menial jobs. . .at Asian owned businesses.

It behooves us to have solid command of The Language of The Land that feeds us!
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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Agreed entirely Chaco, one of the reasons why Puerto Ricans have alot of trouble economically is because the best paying jobs on the island require one to be bilingual in both English and Spanish. Meanwhile most Puerto Ricans do not fluently speak English (hell it's often said that they can barely speak Spanish as it is!), and even if they wanted to they don't have very many resources available to do so which is why the new "Century 21" schooling system is critically important.

To me the importance of being bilingual is a no brainer but when for 60 years a certain political party has lied and bamboozled everyone - it's going to take Puerto Rico a very long time to repair the damage caused by the PPD and it's "commonwealth" status.
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