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Old 12-03-2021, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Except that its already been stated in the Congressional report, these things are not experimental/military indus complex product...the Pentagon would be the ones 'in the know' as to that type of information...


And if some of these were experimental military...dont you think they would stayed silent about the whole thing? Why go on national tv and talk about something you want to keep secret? (many interviews with various DOD and military officials, they gave some pretty detailed descriptions of the technology being seen by these UFOs, like the rate of ascent/descent, how fast they were clocked, how it showed up on various radars, etc)...kind of a dumb thing to do, if this is some secret covert military tech in the developmental stage, no?
Do you tell your enemies what you have or do you keep it secret? It is also a very good possibility that only a few involved in the research projects actually know what is tested, those not involved would simply report a UFO just like we would. Showing up on various radars could have been the goal of the secret test?

Of course, this is speculation, the same as you speculate about aliens. I just feel that we search too far for real answers when the solution is closer to home.
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Old 12-03-2021, 05:39 AM
 
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Except that its already been stated in the Congressional report, these things are not experimental/military indus complex product...the Pentagon would be the ones 'in the know' as to that type of information...
Aren't you one of the people that believes the government lies to us all the time, but now you are saying you believe the government, when they say they are not experimental/military indus complex product?

Don't you see the irony in that!
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Old 12-04-2021, 09:43 AM
 
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Do you tell your enemies what you have or do you keep it secret? It is also a very good possibility that only a few involved in the research projects actually know what is tested, those not involved would simply report a UFO just like we would. Showing up on various radars could have been the goal of the secret test?

Of course, this is speculation, the same as you speculate about aliens. I just feel that we search too far for real answers when the solution is closer to home.
I totally agree!! I have always suspected these things originate right here on this planet (but not from man made sources), that is where our opinions differ.


Whatever these things are, they have been here for 1000s of years, and their behavior has been consistent over the years. Searching the depths of the ocean, (if possible), is where the answers will be found imo, but I dont think we will like what we find.
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Old 12-04-2021, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I totally agree!! I have always suspected these things originate right here on this planet (but not from man made sources), that is where our opinions differ.


Whatever these things are, they have been here for 1000s of years, and their behavior has been consistent over the years. Searching the depths of the ocean, (if possible), is where the answers will be found imo, but I dont think we will like what we find.
We do not know what they saw 1,000s of years ago. Much has been either lost in the translation or influenced by our ancient ancestor's beliefs and customs.

As far as searching the depths of the oceans, we are doing that now. We are filling in missing pieces. Yes, much of the ocean is unexplored. But the race is on, for both military and commercial reasons, to explore all of it. Maybe will even find a missing airplane or two?
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Old 12-04-2021, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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I’m pretty sure it comes down to wormholes
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Old 12-19-2021, 04:30 PM
 
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I am curious how those who believe aliens are visiting us think they have overcome the speed of light limitations of travel throughout the universe . Given that it would take dozens to hundreds of years to travel even one way from our nearest neighbors unless this limitation is overcome , and the same to return home with whatever info they have gleaned from their visit , how are they getting around this quickly ? And given that the energy needed to approach the speed of light becomes enormous as you reach any meaningful percentage of the SoL , how are they powering themselves for decades long trips? And feeding themselves on these long long journeys ?

I’m just curious how those who believe this is happening have worked out the necessary logistics for hundreds of millions of MPH trips 24/7/365 nonstop for dozens of years .
No one can lick the time speed thing and it will never happen.
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Old 12-20-2021, 02:47 PM
 
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No one can lick the time speed thing and it will never happen.
That is the current thinking...but who knows what the future holds? At one time, people said it was impossible to leave our atmosphere, or go to the moon, fly in huge airplanes, etc etc. (all these were proven wrong with time).
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Old 12-20-2021, 05:38 PM
 
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That is the current thinking...but who knows what the future holds? At one time, people said it was impossible to leave our atmosphere, or go to the moon, fly in huge airplanes, etc etc. (all these were proven wrong with time).
Well when you figure it out lets us know. We have yet to step foot on Mars and that is like stepping out your back door and taking 3 steps since as it's closest to us it is only 34.55 million miles. The nearest star is under 5 light years and it would take us millions of years to reach with the speed we have now.
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Old 12-21-2021, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Maine
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No one can lick the time speed thing and it will never happen.
The thing is: People used to say the same thing about circumnavigating the globe, or human flight, or breaking the sound barrier, or the SyFy Channel actually producing a decent TV show. Never say never.

In all seriousness though, if creatures from other starts have figured out ways to travel from star to star --- and that remains 100% unproven --- I can't help but think they have found a way to do it that involves something more than simply going from Point A to Point B really fast. Our own physicists are already postulating ways it could be done. Who knows what a civilization that is 50,000 years beyond our own technological advancement might have achieved?
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Old 12-21-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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The thing is: People used to say the same thing about circumnavigating the globe, or human flight, or breaking the sound barrier, or the SyFy Channel actually producing a decent TV show. Never say never.

In all seriousness though, if creatures from other starts have figured out ways to travel from star to star --- and that remains 100% unproven --- I can't help but think they have found a way to do it that involves something more than simply going from Point A to Point B really fast. Our own physicists are already postulating ways it could be done. Who knows what a civilization that is 50,000 years beyond our own technological advancement might have achieved?
Yep, Im positive there are other ways to get from point A to B, we are just not aware of them yet...


Imo the whole time/distance theory often used by skeptics is ridiculous, we are imposing OUR technological limits and understanding of travel onto them, if they can create aircraft with no wings or visible propulsion systems, chances are, they have figured out the time/distance problem.


This may have something to do with why they often look blurry or out of focus, or those that appear to have an aura around the aircraft.
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