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I think it is all(aliens/ufos/abductions/orbs/ghosts/apparitions/yeti/etc) most likely explained through dimensions. But anyway, what I meant to convey was that one dimension can be manipulated from another dimension, so for example, if someone is in that in-between sleep and waking state, they are possibly (no-one knows) in another 'state' or 'dimension' until they fully return to waking whereapon they are fully in the 3D.
I really dont know, except that you often hear of marks appearing on the body after a few hours/days and people often report being operated on and huge long needles being stuck in through an eye or something - gross.
There are no marks on many abductees but sometimes there are alledgedly 'things' implanted into the body which disappear or dissolve on contact with air when they have been removed by doctors/surgeons/scientists/investigators! Yes it could all be made up, but it could be that the body's energy field is holding it in this other dimension which allows it to stay in the body and .... whatever. These are just my hypotheses or imaginations but are as good as anyone elses explanations of it all...?
I asked about dimensions because I wondered what you think they are. The term "dimension" can be used to mean some unseen realm of existence. But by your example of 3D, I'm not sure you understand what dimensions are. There are some problems with your view, although at the same time, you've also hit the nail squarely on the head.
We and the universe we live in are not just 3-dimensional. Dimensions are concepts to understand dimensional relationships. Architects use them all the time. We live in a combination of at least 3 spatial dimensions and 1 dimension of time to describe things in the universe. We call it space-time. We don't directly see the dimension of time, but we can see the results of it, namely by the change of things. It's also thought there are at least 6 more higher dimensions, maybe 11, but they don't necessarily have anything to do with the our existence, but are only related to our space-time universe.
A dimension by itself is independent as a feature, but is linked to other dimensions in a specific order of hierarchy to be meaningful. In other words, you can't connect dimension 1 with dimension 3 to have anything. You have to connect dimension 1 with dimension 2, then add dimension 3 to the first two. When talking about dimensions above the 4th dimension, then we are talking the bending of space-time with connection points. For example, the 5th dimension may wrap around, or at least be connected to the 4th dimension which includes the lower 3 dimensions. The point is does a dimension mean a place where unknown entities can exist? The answer is no because a dimension is a concept, not place.
About reports of abductees being stuck with needles, as you said, it's something you hear about. There is no evidence anything like that has ever happened to anyone, other than say-so. As you also said that you don't know, I assume meaning that you don't know if it's true or not. So such reports don't mean a lot without more than someone making such a claim.
The so-called marks and implants can be from any number of causes. Again, there is no evidence other than someone's claim, that any so-called implants suddenly disappear or dissolve on contact with the air. I recall one physician focuses on extracting odd implants said to be an alien artifact. The objects did not dissolve or vanish. He has had these objects tested by labs to determine what they are, and the results have been they are ordinary materials that can be found on Earth. There was a recent report of a person who had a one-inch long object lodged in his lung for 20 years or so (I think). The object had markings on it. It was a piece of plastic that came from Wendy's. Doctors remove piece of 'Wendy's' plastic lodged in man's lung for two years
You said: "...if someone is in that in-between sleep and waking state, they are possibly (no-one knows) in another 'state' or 'dimension' until they fully return to waking whereapon they are fully in the 3D." And that's the most reasonable explanation - a dream when asleep. The human brain is extremely complex. Dreams can seem very vivid and realistic, even if they are strange. Just because you dream doesn't mean you've left the universe.
Dreams are nothing more than thoughts in your mind. So what exactly are dreams and thoughts? Interestingly, everything you perceive, vision, feelings, ideas, emotions, dreams, smells, sounds, concepts, everything, are the result of electro-chemical stimulation of the incredibly complex network of neurons at work in your brain and provide what we call perception. While the brain certainly perceives things that are real, it can also be fooled by illusions. The Physiology of Perception
....and scientists know it all, dont they. How nice, ordered, and in a little box it all is.
It makes people feel safe knowing they have a 'handle' on the way things work. As soon as something comes along to shatter the standard view, then there are going to be some scientists who cannot cope with it. This is why we are all being introduced to the idea that first a possibility of water, then a hint of water, then water, then....ALIENS on the Moon. :-)
Dreams are nothing more than thoughts in your mind. So what exactly are dreams and thoughts? Interestingly, everything you perceive, vision, feelings, ideas, emotions, dreams, smells, sounds, concepts, everything, are the result of electro-chemical stimulation of the incredibly complex network of neurons at work in your brain and provide what we call perception. While the brain certainly perceives things that are real, it can also be fooled by illusions.
As you say, seeing, hearing, thinking, feeling, in fact all of our senses are merely nothing more than chemicals transmitted between cells. But... that does not make the world we live in any less real, just because at a basic physiological level this is what is happening. It can be explained that way to disassociate it with any thing that cannot be seen, touched, or put into an equation. Ultimately as we all know, nothing is real and nothing is an illusion. If there is nothing real, then everything is just perceptions or chemicals in our brain moving between cells. At the most basic level I think we will all agree that we are bunch of electrical charges moving from one molecule to another.
To reduce it all to this means that there is nothing more to us than a bag of chemicals carrying out a rather complicated set of processes, but in fact we are a whole lot more than this because we have experiences which make our world 'real' to us. Do you honestly believe that this bag of cells carrying out complicated chemical processes is just that - a bag of cells and that there is nothing more? Do you also think that this bag of cells could have evolved over (I am not sure) a few tens of thousands of years like science seems to think and for which we have fossil 'evidence'?
Obviously, science and religion are incompatible since a lot of religion relies on 'evidence' of burning bushes, visions of angels, pillars of salt, loaves & fishes being manifested out of thin air, water being turned into wine, illnesses being cured at the click of a finger, etc. All these things are all perceptions of a bag of cells, and so cannot possibly be real but must be a bunch of false illusions caused by a chemical imbalance within the bag.
What is the point of discussing what ultimately ends up as the movement of energy from one place to another?
As you say, seeing, hearing, thinking, feeling, in fact all of our senses are merely nothing more than chemicals transmitted between cells. But... that does not make the world we live in any less real, just because at a basic physiological level this is what is happening. It can be explained that way to disassociate it with any thing that cannot be seen, touched, or put into an equation. Ultimately as we all know, nothing is real and nothing is an illusion. If there is nothing real, then everything is just perceptions or chemicals in our brain moving between cells. At the most basic level I think we will all agree that we are bunch of electrical charges moving from one molecule to another.
To reduce it all to this means that there is nothing more to us than a bag of chemicals carrying out a rather complicated set of processes, but in fact we are a whole lot more than this because we have experiences which make our world 'real' to us. Do you honestly believe that this bag of cells carrying out complicated chemical processes is just that - a bag of cells and that there is nothing more? Do you also think that this bag of cells could have evolved over (I am not sure) a few tens of thousands of years like science seems to think and for which we have fossil 'evidence'?
Obviously, science and religion are incompatible since a lot of religion relies on 'evidence' of burning bushes, visions of angels, pillars of salt, loaves & fishes being manifested out of thin air, water being turned into wine, illnesses being cured at the click of a finger, etc. All these things are all perceptions of a bag of cells, and so cannot possibly be real but must be a bunch of false illusions caused by a chemical imbalance within the bag.
What is the point of discussing what ultimately ends up as the movement of energy from one place to another?
I guess the transfer of energy from one place to another is certainly one way of looking at it. That's part of it. I completely agree that there's a lot more to it than just that. It's an extremely complex process. There are also scales to take into account, which range from the macro to quantum scales. It's possible there are even larger and smaller scales. Regardless, we don't live at those scales. We're somewhere in between.
Yes, our "bag of cells" do indeed carry out an extremely complex process that contributes to life. We couldn't very well exist without them. As pointed out, a single cell by itself doesn't really mean much. What makes the difference is when you have trillions of cells with specialized functions that make a highly complex lifeform like a human being. There's no single cell, molecule, or atom that defines life. They're all parts, pieces that combined collectively has produced us. It's an incredibly complex process that spans back to the beginning of the universe.
You're absolutely right saying just because our perceptions are the result of electro-chemical stimulation in the brain doesn't make the world less real. The world, planets, stars, people, the universe are all indeed quite real. Regardless, they are perceptions which are generally formed by external influences throughout a person's life, such as family and other people, as well as experiences. We interactively communicate with others as a way of sharing thoughts and ideas. There are basic perceptions we have in common with other people. But there are other perceptions that are unique to each person, which is part of what makes people individuals. We also know that the brain can form perceptions based on illusions, misunderstanding, etc. Much of it has to do with the kind of information that's stored in your brain. So it boils down to determining what's real and what isn't, what works and what doesn't.
The OP claims ETs and UFOs have visited the Earth, and has provided loads of information felt would support those claims. But there are plenty of good reasons to question the validity of the information. Debates about whether UFOs and ETs exist are difficult because it's a very large universe. There's no reason to say they don't exist. But whether they have been visiting the Earth is rather questionable for numerous reasons. It's not that it's impossible. It's that there is no real proof of it. What proof is usually provided seems to be more related to misunderstanding what has been seen or experienced. A lot of it relies on say-so rather than producing any tangible materials that would prove to be authentic. That's not the fault of the OP, but rather of those making the original claims. It's gets down to belief which is a matter of perception.
You mention about burning bushes, etc., then continue to state they can't be real, they must be illusions because of a chemical imbalance of the cells. A lot of the biblical texts contain figurative stories (often called parables) or words as a way for the author to emphasize a particular point. Some things may be based on real events, but had no other way to explain it or were misunderstood. Kind of like seeing something strange flying around in the sky so it's easy to think it must be something that's ET simply because you don't understand what else it could be. Granted, that's one explanation, and it does not mean people understood such sightings or events. There are lots of things we don't understand and we don't know what they are. While that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't ETs or UFOs, it certainly doesn't mean they are. There are far more "sightings" that have valid alternative explanations than there are those with none.
If you want to believe dreams have nothing to do with how the brain works, that's up to you. There are other people with other points of view. I've tossed out my two-cents worth. Still, I'm not the one making the claims that aliens have visited the Earth and ET spacecraft are buzzing around the planet or building pyramids, cities and sculptures on the Moon and Mars. Those are extraordinary claims which need extraordinary proof. If I saw one explanation that actually provided conclusive proof, I'd be more than happy to agree with it in a minute, if for no other reason than that it would confirm intelligent life exists beyond the Earth, which I do think is very possible. The problem is that what's usually presented as proof tends to fall disappointingly short of it.
The photo above (cropped and enlarged) was taken by a Costa Rican government mapping plane during an aerial mapping mission in 1971. This UFO photograph is unique for several reasons. 1) The photograph was taken by a high-quality, professional camera. 2) The unidentified object is plainly visible against the uniformly dark background of the lake and appears in sharp focus. 3) The camera was aimed downward and the plane was flying at a known, fixed altitude (10,000 feet), which makes it easy to calculate a maximum size for the object (683 feet).
The plane carried a crew of four; a specialist in aerial photography, a geographer, a topographer, and the pilot. No member of the crew stated that they saw anything unusual during the routine flight. Scientists have deterimined that this was a 3D object in the sky.
What makes this photo credible is that it was taken from a government plane.
Debunkers have tried to take a stab at it but even they couldn't come up with a reasonable explanation. You cant say it was a hoax because was taken with government cameras on a government plane. Much analysis has been undertaken using the original negative, most notably by Dr. Richard F. Haines and Dr. Jacques F. Vallee. It seems safe to assume that it is not a double-exposure or the result of manipulation of the negative. What is clear is that its not an issue with the photo, reflection, trick of light or hoax which means its a 3D object and its above the ground or should I say water. Scientists and photo analysts have determined this. It seems to have a dull metallic surface and is round. The object fits the description of a flying disk. Two interesting things is that it is well known that for some reason UFOs like to fly over water and in many cases are reported as coming out of the water. It could be that water is used for some sort of resource for power. Secondly around this time, farmers in the area had reported seeing strange objects in the sky.
debunkers have tried to take a stab at it but even they couldn't come up with a reasonable explanation. What is clear is that its not an issue with the photo, reflection or a trick of light. Which means its a 3d object and its above the ground or should I say water. Scientists and photo analysts have determined this. It seems to have a metallic surface and is round. The object fits the description of a flying disk. Two interesting things is that it is well known that for some reason UFOs like to fly over water and in many cases are reported as coming out of the water. It could be that water is used for some sort of resource for power. Secondly around this time, farmers in the area had reported seeing strange objects in the sky.
Note the key phrases in that paragraph:
"It seems to have..."
"Fits the description of..."
"For some reason..."
"It could be that..."
"Are reported as..."
This whole thing could have been lifted straight out of Erich von Daniken. Speculation reigns supreme!
Do a little research and you'll discover that the Air Force had a chapter about UFOs in its text book back in the 1960s. you can read it verbatim at this link. Interestingly enough the chapter was pulled from the textbook after it was discovered that it leaked out. Some of the statements in the Air Force text book
the UFO phenomenon appears to have been global in nature for almost 50,000 years
This leaves us with the unpleasant possibility of alien visitors to our planet, or at least of alien controlled UFO's. However, the data are not well correlated, and what questionable data there are suggest the existence of at least three and maybe four differnet groups of aliens (possibly at different states of development). This too is difficult to accept. It implies the existence of intelligent life on a majority of the planets in our solar system, or a surprisingly strong interest in Earth by members of other solar systems.
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I guess the transfer of energy from one place to another is certainly one way of looking at it. That's part of it. I completely agree that there's a lot more to it than just that. It's an extremely complex process. There are also scales to take into account, which range from the macro to quantum scales. It's possible there are even larger and smaller scales. Regardless, we don't live at those scales. We're somewhere in between.
