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Given the growing gap between rich and poor in the UK and with homelessness rising by 50% since David Cameron became Prime Minister, are we in the UK following the LA example?
Given the growing gap between rich and poor in the UK and with homelessness rising by 50% since David Cameron became Prime Minister, are we in the UK following the LA example?
The Tory party line is to say the wealthy need more money as an incentive to work harder, whilst the poor need to have their tax credits removed and become poorer as a result. Apparently being poorer still is the incentive the low paid need to work harder.
When you are faced with such glaring hypocrisy I think it is inevitable that the gap between rich and poor will increase. More homelessness will occur.
When you have a government that thinks Downton Abbey is a fly on the wall documentary, social and income inequality is unlikely to improve.
Jeremy Hunt was singing the praises of the American system only yesterday. Says it all really.
Given the growing gap between rich and poor in the UK and with homelessness rising by 50% since David Cameron became Prime Minister, are we in the UK following the LA example?
As a former Los Angeles resident for over a decade, I'm a bit suspicious of the timing of this "declaration", keeping in mind, LA has re-entered the runnings for the 2024 Olympics since Boston pulled out. Homelessness has ALWAYS BEEN a major problem for the city of Angels and, may I add other adjacent municipalities have the same issue. All these decades and it's only reached a crisis problem???? Give me a break. Mental heath policies and Ronald Reagans mental health policy legacy, the OVER criminalization of people who commit petty misdemeanour's. What did LA city council do with the homeless community in downtown LA, when making way for LA's new gentrified down town? They just moved them on. Now they are looking to benefit from incentments and bring forward other $$$$$$ plans
I don't know what the current statistics are for the UK, but I wouldn't blame UK's homelessness entirely on Cameron and his party. Unbridled immigration, an open border with EU countries, right to buy, lack of affordable homes, sky rocketing rent and real estate has brought us to the homeless and housing crisis we have, especially in London, which is for many is their first port of call. Just like other aspects of UK life, the face of homelessness has taken on a whole new identification. Remember when squatters where idealistic white working to middle class Brits? These days, you will find they are from all over and unlike their predecessors, these squatters are genuinely homeless with bleak outlooks I have spoken to Algerians, Polish, Romanians, Albanians, Congolese, Nigerians, Afghans, even a Papua New Guinean refugee who regularly squat in London. ,
Given the growing gap between rich and poor in the UK and with homelessness rising by 50% since David Cameron became Prime Minister, are we in the UK following the LA example?
Growing gap should not affect homelessness as much one would think. Most of the growing gap is due to the skyrocketing windfalls the wealthy get in the financial casinos without engaging in much of anything that had to do with the real physical world. You cannot really convert that wealth into more jobs and homes the things that must have physical world foundations.
I cannot speak to British politics, but the city of LA and California in general has been run by the liberals, not the conservatives for many decades. They are a so called sanctuary city where anyone who is illegal can flock to and not worry about local law enforcement turning them over to ICE/Immigration even if they commit crimes.
That is what happens all the time, and resulted in the recent publicized tragedy in SF with Kate Steinle.
Watch this short video for a synopsis;
You have wacko city councils who defy national laws, and with liberals like Obama in the presidency, nothing is done to make them pay for it.
Of course not all of LA's homeless problem is illegal alien related. Many bigger cities have homelessness and it seems to be getting worse. It is a combination of several factors, or which the poor economy is but one. Even when our economy was firing on all cylinders, we had the chronic homeless begging/panhandling for money. They typically use it not for food, but instead to feed their addiction to drugs & alcohol.
That of course is another one of the huge drivers of homelessness. You are not going to be able to get much less keep a job if you are a doper or booze hound.
We also have a large problem with the mentally deficient/insane. Instead of being treated and housed in a facility where they may be able to receive help, they are instead allowed to roam the streets and committing crimes. We use to have laws that would take such people and lock them up for a period of time for their own good. Some were never released because judges determined they were a threat to society and/or themselves. But many were able to receive treatment for their mental illness and dependency on illegal drugs.
Then we have the elephant in the room, that being those who help to create the problem to begin with. Now I gather from the few responses thus far, the blame is being put on the more conservative Tories.
Whether that is the reason for the homeless problems in the UK, I cannot say.
However over here across the pond, I'd say most of the big cities having such problems are being run by the liberals (Democrats), not the conservatives(Republicans).
The liberals wish to expand social programs to take care of people from cradle to grave. Essentially they wish to take from the producers/workers and give more and more money to the takers/unemployed.
They come up with harebrained schemes like publicizing programs in their cites which actually attracts more of the homeless to them. Aside from the sanctuary city rubbish I mentioned, they legalize pot smoking, and all of a sudden cities like Denver have been inundated with homeless bums from all over the place;
Frankly, I do not believe any single political philosophy being responsible for creating the problem, nor able to solve it alone. There will always be winners and losers in life, and no effort to equalize everyone (i.e. socialism/communism) will ever work with human beings. I believe even Bono of U2 has come around to embracing capitalism as the best engine to create wealth to help the less fortunate.
Yet you have the ying & yang blaming each other when both need to be more flexible and less intolerant of each others points of view.
So while it may seem as if I am giving it too the liberals in this country for the homeless problem, the conservatives alone do not have all the answers either. I do know however that enabling the homeless to live irresponsibly is not the solution.
I cannot speak to British politics, but the city of LA and California in general has been run by the liberals, not the conservatives for many decades. They are a so called sanctuary city where anyone who is illegal can flock to and not worry about local law enforcement turning them over to ICE/Immigration even if they commit crimes.
That is what happens all the time, and resulted in the recent publicized tragedy in SF with Kate Steinle.
Watch this short video for a synopsis;
You have wacko city councils who defy national laws, and with liberals like Obama in the presidency, nothing is done to make them pay for it.
Of course not all of LA's homeless problem is illegal alien related. Many bigger cities have homelessness and it seems to be getting worse. It is a combination of several factors, or which the poor economy is but one. Even when our economy was firing on all cylinders, we had the chronic homeless begging/panhandling for money. They typically use it not for food, but instead to feed their addiction to drugs & alcohol.
That of course is another one of the huge drivers of homelessness. You are not going to be able to get much less keep a job if you are a doper or booze hound.
We also have a large problem with the mentally deficient/insane. Instead of being treated and housed in a facility where they may be able to receive help, they are instead allowed to roam the streets and committing crimes. We use to have laws that would take such people and lock them up for a period of time for their own good. Some were never released because judges determined they were a threat to society and/or themselves. But many were able to receive treatment for their mental illness and dependency on illegal drugs.
Then we have the elephant in the room, that being those who help to create the problem to begin with. Now I gather from the few responses thus far, the blame is being put on the more conservative Tories.
Whether that is the reason for the homeless problems in the UK, I cannot say.
However over here across the pond, I'd say most of the big cities having such problems are being run by the liberals (Democrats), not the conservatives(Republicans).
The liberals wish to expand social programs to take care of people from cradle to grave. Essentially they wish to take from the producers/workers and give more and more money to the takers/unemployed.
They come up with harebrained schemes like publicizing programs in their cites which actually attracts more of the homeless to them. Aside from the sanctuary city rubbish I mentioned, they legalize pot smoking, and all of a sudden cities like Denver have been inundated with homeless bums from all over the place;
Frankly, I do not believe any single political philosophy being responsible for creating the problem, nor able to solve it alone. There will always be winners and losers in life, and no effort to equalize everyone (i.e. socialism/communism) will ever work with human beings. I believe even Bono of U2 has come around to embracing capitalism as the best engine to create wealth to help the less fortunate.
Yet you have the ying & yang blaming each other when both need to be more flexible and less intolerant of each others points of view.
So while it may seem as if I am giving it too the liberals in this country for the homeless problem, the conservatives alone do not have all the answers either. I do know however that enabling the homeless to live irresponsibly is not the solution.
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The moment I saw the words I have made bold, I didn't bother with the links or much you have said.
I cannot speak to British politics, but the city of LA and California in general has been run by the liberals, not the conservatives for many decades. They are a so called sanctuary city where anyone who is illegal can flock to and not worry about local law enforcement turning them over to ICE/Immigration even if they commit crimes.
That is what happens all the time, and resulted in the recent publicized tragedy in SF with Kate Steinle.
Watch this short video for a synopsis;
You have wacko city councils who defy national laws, and with liberals like Obama in the presidency, nothing is done to make them pay for it.
Of course not all of LA's homeless problem is illegal alien related. Many bigger cities have homelessness and it seems to be getting worse. It is a combination of several factors, or which the poor economy is but one. Even when our economy was firing on all cylinders, we had the chronic homeless begging/panhandling for money. They typically use it not for food, but instead to feed their addiction to drugs & alcohol.
That of course is another one of the huge drivers of homelessness. You are not going to be able to get much less keep a job if you are a doper or booze hound.
We also have a large problem with the mentally deficient/insane. Instead of being treated and housed in a facility where they may be able to receive help, they are instead allowed to roam the streets and committing crimes. We use to have laws that would take such people and lock them up for a period of time for their own good. Some were never released because judges determined they were a threat to society and/or themselves. But many were able to receive treatment for their mental illness and dependency on illegal drugs.
Then we have the elephant in the room, that being those who help to create the problem to begin with. Now I gather from the few responses thus far, the blame is being put on the more conservative Tories.
Whether that is the reason for the homeless problems in the UK, I cannot say.
However over here across the pond, I'd say most of the big cities having such problems are being run by the liberals (Democrats), not the conservatives(Republicans).
The liberals wish to expand social programs to take care of people from cradle to grave. Essentially they wish to take from the producers/workers and give more and more money to the takers/unemployed.
They come up with harebrained schemes like publicizing programs in their cites which actually attracts more of the homeless to them. Aside from the sanctuary city rubbish I mentioned, they legalize pot smoking, and all of a sudden cities like Denver have been inundated with homeless bums from all over the place;
Frankly, I do not believe any single political philosophy being responsible for creating the problem, nor able to solve it alone. There will always be winners and losers in life, and no effort to equalize everyone (i.e. socialism/communism) will ever work with human beings. I believe even Bono of U2 has come around to embracing capitalism as the best engine to create wealth to help the less fortunate.
Yet you have the ying & yang blaming each other when both need to be more flexible and less intolerant of each others points of view.
So while it may seem as if I am giving it too the liberals in this country for the homeless problem, the conservatives alone do not have all the answers either. I do know however that enabling the homeless to live irresponsibly is not the solution.
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We've always said that it starts in California. They are first and then it spreads.
It is NOT President Obama or Democrats.. I'd say the homelessness in LA is due to several factors--illegal immigration which BOTH political party leaders seem to want. The Democrats want them for votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor.
Most people, Democrat or Republican, are opposed to illegal immigration and the drugs that are brought in along with it but nothing will be done about it by the party leaders.
The homelessness is also due to the mentally ill having few options for treatment ever since (was it the Republican, Reagan?) shut down the mental hospitals.
The homelessness is also due to the rich getting richer--corporate greed. From reading on here I see that seems to be happening in the UK too. It's getting so that there is no middle class anymore. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. As civilized human beings we have to take care of the poor.
But, yes, I think the problem will spread. It spreads from the west coast to the east coast and them fills in the areas in between. It will probably (if it hasn't already) spread to the UK because we have similar problems and nothing much is being done to fix things.
The moment I saw the words I have made bold, I didn't bother with the links or much you have said.
Then you are less informed than you could be. I can site other news sources that are considered left leaning to essentially back up my post. However the reports I cited cannot be refuted, and I challenge you to do so.
I find it funny how the #1 cable news network and the #1 political cable show are not worthy of bothering with. Did it even dawn on you that an concerted effort to demonize FOX has been perpetrated by the leftists?
If not, read a book by a liberal journalist named Kristin Powers. She points out how Obama & Co tried to do so before the other news agencies (some very liberal) objected to the government trying to suppress a sister news station.
Some choose to bury their head in the sand rather than examine other viewpoints.
I myself watch all sorts of news, and read al sorts of newspapers, including the BBC and the Guardian. Those who choose only to read likeminded sources, and are gullible enough to not watch other sources of info based on what they are told from their puppet masters, are to be pitied.
We've always said that it starts in California. They are first and then it spreads.
It is NOT President Obama or Democrats.. I'd say the homelessness in LA is due to several factors--illegal immigration which BOTH political party leaders seem to want. The Democrats want them for votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor.
Most people, Democrat or Republican, are opposed to illegal immigration and the drugs that are brought in along with it but nothing will be done about it by the party leaders.
The homelessness is also due to the mentally ill having few options for treatment ever since (was it the Republican, Reagan?) shut down the mental hospitals.
The homelessness is also due to the rich getting richer--corporate greed. From reading on here I see that seems to be happening in the UK too. It's getting so that there is no middle class anymore. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. As civilized human beings we have to take care of the poor.
But, yes, I think the problem will spread. It spreads from the west coast to the east coast and them fills in the areas in between. It will probably (if it hasn't already) spread to the UK because we have similar problems and nothing much is being done to fix things.
I agree with most of what you said, probably because it mirrors much of what I said.
However the part about taking care of the poor has to be qualified.
I am all for helping those who through no choice of their own are in need of assistance. That would include the physically disabled, mentally retarded(and the like). It would even include those who maybe took one wrong turn, and can be savaged and put back on the correct road. However those who chose to do drugs, commit crimes, had numerous children they cannot afford, etc. need to be dealt with much differently.
"Tough love" is the only way to deal with those who would rather sit under a palm tree and watch others work, then get up long enough to collect a portion of the workers pay.
Here are videos of several entitled people who have been profiled who fit that mold;
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Did it even dawn on you that an concerted effort to demonize FOX has been perpetrated by the leftists?
