Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > United Kingdom
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-25-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Oroville, California
3,477 posts, read 6,512,981 times
Reputation: 6796

Advertisements

Forbes Welcome

First time I've heard this - oil glut and all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-25-2016, 11:42 AM
Status: "“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Great Britain
27,182 posts, read 13,469,799 times
Reputation: 19501
Scotland would have to become independent to join the EU and even then Spain and France have made it clear that they would not accept Scottish Membership as thet have independence issues relating to the Basque territory.

Brexit: Spain and France oppose Scotland EU talks - BBC News

Independent Scotland in the euro 'like Greece without the sun', Nicola Sturgeon warned

Furthermore The Scots main trading nation is England and not Europe. If the Scots voted for independence and if they were allowed to join the EU (which is a big 'if') they would have to negotiate entry in to the EU under EU terms and any new EU member now has to adopt the Euro. England & Wales will no doubt retain the pound, whilst new border controls would have to be put in place as the two countries would be different economic areas. Scotland would also have to negotiate a trading agreement with England.

Scotland exports around £70 Billion of which over £50 Billion is to the rest of the UK (mainly England) and exports over £20 Billion (around half or £10 Billion relates to EU exports) to the rest of the world including EU countries. This is a lot more than money generated by oil and gas.

The economy of Scotland is very highly integrated with the economy of the rest of the UK and this includes companies based in Scotland that supply goods and services to the rest of the UK. The Scottish Economy is more intergrated with the UK than it is with the entirety of the EU. Having two seperate currencies could deeply effect Scotlands biggest market and the economy it is most intergrated with.




Last edited by Brave New World; 08-25-2016 at 11:53 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-25-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: SoCal
20,160 posts, read 12,763,707 times
Reputation: 16993
Nicola Sturgeon is not going to be so cocky anymore. So the Brexit camp was right after all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-25-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
18,528 posts, read 18,757,013 times
Reputation: 28778
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewbieHere View Post
Nicola Sturgeon is not going to be so cocky anymore. So the Brexit camp was right after all.
Shes living in her own wee world... just wish she would stay there... the EU would chase us and no wonder..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-25-2016, 06:11 PM
 
14,247 posts, read 17,924,929 times
Reputation: 13807
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzybint View Post
Shes living in her own wee world... just wish she would stay there... the EU would chase us and no wonder..
The problem is that the SNP are still playing grievance politics which allows them to avoid actually answering pertinent questions. Thus, when asked about the deficit and its impact on an independent Scotland joining the EU, their answer was to say that the UK had a 10% deficit in 2010. This response ignored three factors. The first was that the UK was already a member and that there is no mechanism for expelling one. The second was that the deficit was exceptional coming on the back of the global financial crisis. The third was that the deficit was one time and has since been substantially reduced.

As Ms. Sturgeon has, once again put an independence referendum firmly on the agenda, all the SNP have to do is give us some good answers to these (amongst other) questions and then we have a basis for a constructive discussion.

1. What will be the impact of the loss of Barnett fiscal transfers from rUK to Scotland (around £10 billion this year) on public revenue, taxation and services? This is even more important given the loss of fiscal revenue from oil. For reference, the fiscal deficit is £15 billion or around 9.7% of GDP.

2. What currency will Scotland use? A 'pound' with or without a monetary union? And if there is no monetary union, how will they maintain parity with the UK pound? And if they do not, does that mean a separate currency called the Scottish pound (as appears increasingly likely) and where will Scotland find the hard currency reserves to support it?

And will iScotland be required to adhere to the Euro? If so, how will iScotland achieve the criteria for accession and what do we use in the interim?

3. Assuming that Scotland moves to a 'Scottish Pound' (this option is getting increasing 'air time') which will not have the same value as the rUK pound, how will the Scottish Govt. manage the risk of massive capital flight due to the potential for loss of value?

4. If there is no UK/EU free trade agreement and iScotland joins the EU, how will tariffs on Scottish trade with rUK affect the Scottish economy given that trade with rUK is four times greater than trade with the EU? iScotland would be bound by EU rules and unable to forge a separate deal with rUK.

5. Under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, new entrants have to adhere to Schengen. That means a hard border and passport controls with England. Is the Scottish public ready for that?

6. What will be the cost of an iScotland becoming an EU member in terms of contributions to Brussels as well as the cost of setting up a 'hard border', etc. etc.?

7. What will be the additional costs of providing defence and funding for new government departments and embassies around the world?

8. How will iScotland deal with the loss of around 30,000 UK civil service jobs and threats to both the defence and financial services industries that independence would bring?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-26-2016, 12:26 AM
Status: "“If a thing loves, it is infinite.”" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Great Britain
27,182 posts, read 13,469,799 times
Reputation: 19501
^^

Totally Agree

The Scots would have to be mad to lose their 59 Seats in the UK Parliament, and have no say anymore at Westminster in exchange for a mere 6 seats in the German Dominated EU Parliament and have the Euro forced on them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-26-2016, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
3,565 posts, read 2,116,572 times
Reputation: 4384
I do wish this government would stop faffing about and get this Brexit "deal" sorted out once and for all!

It's been 2 months since the results, and still no one really knows what is going to happen next! Everything is pure conjecture. We don't even know if the referendum result has any legal standing (I doubt it), and could be revoked, challenged, dismissed on a whim.

A badly thought out plan, poorly executed with no exit strategy. We like a nation left in limbo, or an empty tin can lying in the gutter either waiting to be flushed down the storm drains, or picked up, brushed down and recycled into something better and brighter.

It's just all this waiting around that I find quite disconcerting!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-03-2016, 08:27 AM
 
6,112 posts, read 3,925,140 times
Reputation: 2243
I think the biggest obstacle would be Spain, who have repeatedly said that they would veto any Scottish application in order to avoid giving regions such as Catalonia any ideas.

Also, isn't a new rule to be introduced that will require new members to adopt the Euro? I'm not sure that many Scots would be keen on that idea.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
18,528 posts, read 18,757,013 times
Reputation: 28778
Quote:
Originally Posted by Razza94 View Post
I think the biggest obstacle would be Spain, who have repeatedly said that they would veto any Scottish application in order to avoid giving regions such as Catalonia any ideas.

Also, isn't a new rule to be introduced that will require new members to adopt the Euro? I'm not sure that many Scots would be keen on that idea.
Nicola has "promised" that we can keep the Pound.. laughable isnt it. the woman needs help.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-05-2016, 07:54 AM
 
14,247 posts, read 17,924,929 times
Reputation: 13807
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzybint View Post
Nicola has "promised" that we can keep the Pound.. laughable isnt it. the woman needs help.
Of course we can keep the 'pound'. That isn't the problem. The problem is maintaining parity with the UK pound if they do not agree to a currency union and if the Bank of England does not agree to be lender of last resort. In that situation, what you get is a 'Scottish pound' - effectively a separate currency - circulating at a different value to the UK pound.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > United Kingdom
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:21 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top