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It would be nearly as bad as brexit having Corbyn in number ten.
I feel really sorry for Theresa May, she’s in a terrible position, stuck between the hard brexiteers and the hard remainders who pretty much depict the public’s split on Brexit in general.
It would be nearly as bad as brexit having Corbyn in number ten.
I feel really sorry for Theresa May, she’s in a terrible position, stuck between the hard brexiteers and the hard remainders who pretty much depict the public’s split on Brexit in general.
There are no winners here.
Paper talk. Plus others close to Theresa May described election claims as hogwash.
She is in a real bad position. Tory back benchers will only push her so far. They don't want an election right now.
If she is forced to, which is very unlikely, I do not believe Corbyn has enough support in the country to win an election. Oh, the kids will vote for him, but I just don't see it being enough to win outright.
The anger felt towards the EU, would I believe, be enough for the Tories to still hang on to power. A lot depends on what happens to Theresa May. The Tories don't seem sure what is best, whether to ditch her, and place someone else as PM, or not. There doesn't seem to be a stampede of candidates right now. They want her to take the fall for this EU fiasco first.
Labour are being run by extremists at the grass roots level. The leadership will do as they are instructed. It is starting to turn into a version of 1920s Communism. Labour MPs who don't toe the party line are in danger of being deselected. They are making a lot of noise, and kids are being fooled, like so many kids before them in the past. That doesn't mean they are capable of winning a General Election.
There is turmoil within Tory ranks, but turkey's don't vote for Christmas. They may take a peak over the edge, but they are nothing if not survivors. I believe they will hold on for at least the time needed to leave the EU. What we don't know yet is what kind of leaving that's going to be.
I agree with everything you say with the exception of the leaving bit, I still say there will be a vote and the uk will remain.
The Eu need to be careful though trying to be smug and push the British could lose them the votes they need to overturn Brexit.
The EU are like parrots, and can only say the same things over and over again. They will never agree to ending free movement. That is the main reason people voted for Brexit. The mass immigration continues, and folks are unnerved by it, and want it at least slowing down.
If the immigration continues there will be turmoil, and unrest. The pressures on our social fabric will lead to at least riots. Nothing is more important than this issue. Nothing.
We were told how important the EU vote was. The David Cameron government spent millions sending a booklet to every home in the country before the vote. It said this was a once in a lifetime vote, and if we voted out, then the end of the world was nigh, but the vote would stand.
They thought that was enough, and the cat was in the bag. A party to celebrate their victory was in full flow as the results started to come in. The people had voted to leave. Some people voted for the first time for many years. They finally got their chance to tell this government just how they felt on this issue.
An attempt was made to cheat the people by giving the vote to many who shouldn't have had it, like Irish citizens living in Britain. Against the odds, we won. We were told the sky would fall in. It didn't. Now project fear has been unleashed again. The EU are sitting back, and watching.
They want another vote, or a General Election with a new government they can lean on, and get what they want, which is us remaining in the EU. But, they haven't got the brains to throw us a bone. If,and it's a big if, there was another vote, going the other way to remain, they wouldn't be able to resist making it hard on us.
There is nothing surer, than they would behave like the victors in a war. We would be told we can remain in the EU of course, but under new rules. They would want more money from us, pure and simple. The mass immigration would continue.
If another vote was called, there will be unrest, and violence. The leave people are getting ready for a fight. There was a big rally in the town of Bolton yesterday, attended by Nigel Farage, and David Davis. The remain people have been making a lot of noise. Doesn't mean they'll win another vote. It would be close either way, and would open cracks within our society that would not go away. If it was real close, the calls would be for another vote, even if we remained in the EU. The unrest would ferment, and we saw what happened in Ireland in the late 60s, when people don't think politicians are listening.
Real political leaders know what a can of worms this is, whatever we do. But in a democracy, all we have is a vote. Well we voted, and the result was a desire to leave the EU. The result in England, which is where the vast percentage of UK citizens live, went easily to leave. The percentage result was lowered because of the Scots, and to a lesser extent the Irish. Another vote would not go quietly. It would be at least a four week campaign. There would be violence on both sides. Unleashing emotion on this issue could cause problems that would refuse to go away.
This is why I believe we will leave the EU. They haven't got the brains to realise that this has gone too far now. We feel the EU is treating us badly, and even making fun of our Prime Minister. We are very aware that Jean Claude Juncker is a drunk, and he hasn't the common sense to stop looking down his nose at us. We have our backs to the wall, and in a political campaign the Tories will use this against craven Labour, led by fanatics, and infiltrated by nut cases at grass root level. I don't believe enough of the population will vote for such people to give them outright victory.
Internally, Labour is in turmoil. The antisemitism in the leadership is causing anger from some within their ranks. An election campaign will reveal much, and I think the Tories would be able to bring their vote out, and win narrowly again. These are difficult times we are living through. We need to steady the ship, and see this EU exit through.
Last edited by English Dave; 09-23-2018 at 12:39 AM..
Freedom of movement is a fundamental part of being in the EU for EU citizens, this is not causing the problems you are reacting against.
It’s not EU citizens overrunning the UK, it’s ousiders who have entered either illegally or after claiming asylum in another country and then heading to the UK due to the open welcome they get from the looney left councils.
The uks not even a member of the Schengen Agreement so could easily turn away most of these arrivals but chooses not to.
Italy is refusing to take anymore imigrants, the Uk could say the same but won’t.
The UKs problems are their own making, giving out houses and benefits like there’s no tomorrow is ridiculous and will only draw in more and more people.
Brexit won’t stop this
Other countries in the EU don’t have the same issues because immigrants don’t have the handouts anywhere else at least not on the scale of the UK.
And talk of civil war is plain daft.
And for those convinced the Uks leaving at the end of March the following was in the papers the other day and really sums up what your up against.
The votes they managed to overturn
2001 – The Irish rejected the EU's Nice treaty by 54-46. The following year Ireland voted to accept it by 63-37 after receiving 'reassurances' from Brussels, particularly on defence
2005 – France and the Netherlands rejected the EU Constitution treaty. The proposals were repackaged as the Lisbon Treaty, which was passed without a poll in either country
2008 – Ireland rejects the Lisbon Treaty by 53-47. The following year Dublin caves in to pressure from Brussels to hold a second poll, which backs treaty 67-33
2015 – Greeks reject terms of an EU austerity package by 61-39. Greek leaders and EU ignore result and push cuts through
Last edited by britinspain; 09-23-2018 at 12:55 AM..
May if she wins strengthens her position, so back benchers who want her gone aren't going to vote for a GE, because to win, they'd need to lose the election. If May loses if course she's toast.
Corbyn on the other hand is toast if he loses, Labour back benchers are not going to vote for a GE when May is so weak because to win means Corbyn strengthens his position.
The final issue is that the EU also doesn't want a GE, a November election means no deals to be struck at earliest until January 2019, and whatever temporary agreements are in place are possibly voided setting everything back to square one with 2 months before exit date.
Freedom of movement is a fundamental part of being in the EU for EU citizens, this is not causing the problems you are reacting against.
It’s not EU citizens overrunning the UK, it’s ousiders who have entered either illegally or after claiming asylum in another country and then heading to the UK due to the open welcome they get from the looney left councils.
The uks not even a member of the Schengen Agreement so could easily turn away most of these arrivals but chooses not to.
Italy is refusing to take anymore imigrants, the Uk could say the same but won’t.
The UKs problems are their own making, giving out houses and benefits like there’s no tomorrow is ridiculous and will only draw in more and more people.
Brexit won’t stop this
Other countries in the EU don’t have the same issues because immigrants don’t have the handouts anywhere else at least not on the scale of the UK.
And talk of civil war is plain daft.
And for those convinced the Uks leaving at the end of March the following was in the papers the other day and really sums up what your up against.
The votes they managed to overturn
2001 – The Irish rejected the EU's Nice treaty by 54-46. The following year Ireland voted to accept it by 63-37 after receiving 'reassurances' from Brussels, particularly on defence
2005 – France and the Netherlands rejected the EU Constitution treaty. The proposals were repackaged as the Lisbon Treaty, which was passed without a poll in either country
2008 – Ireland rejects the Lisbon Treaty by 53-47. The following year Dublin caves in to pressure from Brussels to hold a second poll, which backs treaty 67-33
2015 – Greeks reject terms of an EU austerity package by 61-39. Greek leaders and EU ignore result and push cuts through
Problem is the EU is known now for pressuring for repeat votes of results it doesn't like. Run that up against British bloody mindedness and you might even get white suburban dreaded students voting leave.
Problem is the EU is known now for pressuring for repeat votes of results it doesn't like. Run that up against British bloody mindedness and you might even get white suburban dreaded students voting leave.
Totally agree and this is the only way the UKs going to leave.
If the EU hold their position respectfully a second vote will be a landslide to stay.
Just a hint of gloating and it could all go terribly wrong.
They’ll be on the charm offensive from now on in, if they don’t I’ll be voting to leave too.
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