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There was a thread in city vs city where posters determined that the densest continous 47 square miles of LA, centered around Koreatown had a population of at least 1.1 million. So the core 47 square miles of LA are about 20-30% denser than San Francisco's 47 square miles. Aside from NYC which was obviously much denser, Philadelphia and Chicago were similar or less dense than LA in their core 47 square miles and all other cities were far behind LA.
LA also has the densest urban area in America. If you want to look at an area smaller than 47 square miles, LA has some very dense census tracts too, only barely behind SF and Chicago if I remember correctly. By American standards, LA is dense, no matter how you look at it. The difference between LA and SF though is that the overall feel of LA is more autocentric and that due to its large population, it has a more expansive urban area.
Yep. I posted a bunch in that thread and remember it well. The post calculating LA is here:
Still, I get the impression that San Francisco flows better from the downtown to its residential neighborhoods. But calling LA a sprawling suburban city is a bit inaccurate.
It surely feels like San Francisco is the only "city" in California, I wish it had more.
I think that LA in the past before the 1940s may have had more "city" like atmosphere but how it developed after WWII it turned much of LA into sprawl. Another bad thing was that during the 50s and 60s many buildings were demolished to make way for cars and I saw old pictures of LA's central core, it could be confused for any walkable dense urban area but I looked at a current picture and many were turned into parking lots.
LA has a small walkable core in downtown and like others said here, Korea town too is walkable. They have a walkscore of 92 and 90, which is very good, but unfortunately the walkable areas of all of Los Angeles represent only a small portion of LA's total population. A truely walkable area would be like 80 and above on walkscore. Downtown, Los Angeles - Restaurants, Hotels, and Landmarks on Walk Score
What makes San Francisco unique is that it is the only in the entire western half of the country that is built like an Northeastern city. Its understandable for someone who is from San Francisco to go to another city in California and feel like they are in a more of a suburbanized city rather a more urbanized city. But to say that San Francisco is the only actual city in California is extreme.
What makes San Francisco unique is that it is the only in the entire western half of the country that is built like an Northeastern city. Its understandable for someone who is from San Francisco to go to another city in California and feel like they are in a more of a suburbanized city rather a more urbanized city. But to say that San Francisco is the only actual city in California is extreme.
I think that LA in the past before the 1940s may have had more "city" like atmosphere but how it developed after WWII it turned much of LA into sprawl. Another bad thing was that during the 50s and 60s many buildings were demolished to make way for cars and I saw old pictures of LA's central core, it could be confused for any walkable dense urban area but I looked at a current picture and many were turned into parking lots.
Denver and Omaha are built as densely as San Francisco?!
Probably not, and I'll let someone who cares look up the stats. However, I did not think we were talking about density. Here is the sentence I responded to:
What makes San Francisco unique is that it is the only in the entire western half of the country that is built like an Northeastern city.
Both Omaha and Denver are built like a northeastern city, if you mean by that a downtown area, small lots, fairly dense housing, some multi-family housing, small neighborhood business areas and so forth.
Both Omaha and Denver are built like a northeastern city,
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