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I haven't kept up with every post but it seems like this thread is getting a bit too personal.
My bad.
I was given a circumstance in which the poster willingly exposed that they hadn't knowingly driven with a BAC above .08.
I didn't mean to say they had done such a thing.
I just meant to illustrate the point that they could have driven with a .07, .06, .05, .04, .03, .02, .01... but didn't feel they were part of "drunk driving", at least not "knowingly".
No, but anything under the "legal limit" is still "under the influence".
So you may have, is that correct?
But that doesn't matter. If you drove to Applebee's and had a martini (appletini?) and drove home, you were guilty of DUI.
Plain and Simple.
When you drove in you had 0 (ZERO) alcohol in your system. After you had that one drink, doesn't matter if you had "too much" or were "drunk" you were UNDER THE INFLUENCE of alcohol when you drove home.
Maybe if you weren't relegated to getting to Applebee's by car, you wouldn't have had to have driven home in your car after that drink.
I don't know what kind of a game you're playing here, but I'm getting highly annoyed. DWAI in this state is generally presumed to be driving with a BAC of >0.05 but less than 0.08. Your ability is not impaired at lower levels. You can go to church and have a shot glass of communion wine and drive home and not be DWAI in this state. There is no Applebee's in my town. Surprised? Aren't all suburbs full of chain restaurants?
The legal definition of DWAI in this state is impaired driving. In fact, if your BAC is <0.05, it is presumed it is NOT the alcohol that is impairing the driving. (Posted in a link previously)
I was given a circumstance in which the poster willingly exposed that they hadn't knowingly driven with a BAC above .08.
I didn't mean to say they had done such a thing.
I just meant to illustrate the point that they could have driven with a .07, .06, .05, .04, .03, .02, .01... but didn't feel they were part of "drunk driving", at least not "knowingly".
Right, like I believe that! You were goading, goading, goading. It's all my fault. LOL!
nei is right, you are getting highly personal. You are also lying. I did not say I had never driven with a BAC >0.08. I said I had not driven with a BAC above the legal limit, which is a presumptive 0.05 IN THIS STATE!!!!
I don't know what kind of a game you're playing here, but I'm getting highly annoyed. DWAI in this state is generally presumed to be driving with a BAC of >0.05 but less than 0.08. Your ability is not impaired at lower levels. You can go to church and have a shot glass of communion wine and drive home and not be DWAI in this state. There is no Applebee's in my town. Surprised? Aren't all suburbs full of chain restaurants?
The legal definition of DWAI in this state is impaired driving. In fact, if your BAC is <0.05, it is presumed it is NOT the alcohol that is impairing the driving. (Posted in a link previously)
Maybe you've never lived in a small town in Indiana.
If you get pulled over with a BAC of .03 you could get a DUI... depending on if you were buddy-buddy with the cop.
If you weren't from the county (they can tell by the plate tags) you would get a ticket.
You did not answer the question in the manner I presented it. I said to go strictly by the numbers. How can you know how many responsible people are there?
Without knowing the responsibility of all drivers, are you really going to sit there and tell me that it is likley that each will produce the same number of drunk drivers?
Laughable.
What I'm simply saying is the bar with the most irresponsible people will produce the highest probability of DUI's. You simply want to frame a question a way that will give you your desired answer so you can rip the suburbs and cars because of your hatred for them. Thats all you urbanist are doing.
I think New York state is as well. Re: Montana, I don't think Montanas drink more than parts of New England, but car accident deaths in general are higher. More driving, more rural than say, a car dependent urban/suburban location.
Right, like I believe that! You were goading, goading, goading. It's all my fault. LOL!
nei is right, you are getting highly personal. You are also lying. I did not say I had never driven with a BAC >0.08. I said I had not driven with a BAC above the legal limit, which is a presumptive 0.05 IN THIS STATE!!!!
Two quotes from you:
"I am saying that in the last 30 years or so, I have not drunk to excess in such situations."
AND
"I have not knowingly driven with a BAC above the legal limit in at least 40 years."
In my home state anything ABOVE A 0.00 CAN BE CONSIDERED A DUI... because it is.
If you get in a crash with a BAC of 0.01 YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY AT FAULT, even if the person ran a red light while texting and tying their shoe.
You do realize your the only one discussing suburbs, don't you?
You do realize the laws of probability (and thermodynamics) do appy even if you don't understand them?
And did you know Denial is not a river in Egypt.
I understand the law of probability, if you have alot of irresponsible people who drive to the bar, chances are, you'll have alot more opportunity for DUI's. I completely agree with that with the theory of probability. I know denial is not a river in egypt, and its sad that you deny they fact that lack of personal repsonsibility is the reason for DUI's and you want to blame where a person lives.
I understand the law of probability, if you have alot of irresponsible people who drive to the bar, chances are, you'll have alot more opportunity for DUI's. I completely agree with that with the theory of probability. I know denial is not a river in egypt, and its sad that you deny they fact that lack of personal repsonsibility is the reason for DUI's and you want to blame where a person lives.
Again, no one has said drunk drivers are not responsible for their choices.
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