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Old 05-03-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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People are far more likely to walk in a traditional small town or urban environment with lots of busineses etc. along the way in part because they perceive distances differently vs. in a suburban area.

This is the basis for not only good urban/town planning but also the design of retail malls, airports, casinos, and so on. It's a particular obsession for retail. Ask a mall developer or downtown retail developer to consider even a 100-foot blank wall and see what happens.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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You have a nice day, too!

You have still not said what you need! What would it require for you to find it "interesting"?
Lots of things, but for starters, have some architecture that isn't basically identical to literally hundreds of other places I've been to around the country. I feel like that could be practically anywhere. Variety is the spice of life, and seeing so many undifferentiated places gets boring.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:51 PM
 
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Err not quite. A city worker can live anywhere in the City of Chicago. A factory worker could live anywhere in town or even the burbs. While the CTA can take you anywhere within Chicago the bus rides will be slow and the EL will not move any faster outside of rush. The hub and spoke system of the EL makes it impractical to go north or south outside of the CBD. The bus is the slowest method of transist and with its stops will never beat a car going the same distance. I used to take Public transit from the west side to the south side. The ride took 1hour and 30 mins. A car could cover the same distance in like 45 minutes to an hour at worse.
That is the most prevalent defect of transit systems. And transit executives can't imagine why anyone would want to go anywhere but the CBD. It may also be true that the most reliable line is the one the head of that agency rides (but I have no statistics on that). Anyone taking a look at the CTA map would surely conclude that their next route ought to be north-south to the west, perhaps connecting all the "Western Ave" stations. But it will probably be an extension of a existing line going, again, to the loop. At least Denver figured out that some people might prefer to go crosstown on the east side.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Some local studies found that about 1/3 of parking in much of the bay area goes unused overnight. I am sure that some sort of garage sharing arrangement could be made. In my city we have a few parking free buildings. The people that want spaces rent a spot in a nearby garage. One of the buildings had a garage across the street (on a short block).

I think we have over done with whole every building (in a denser downtown area) needs to provide parking. There are plenty of ways to create shared use parking, without providing too much parking.



That sounds abnormally slow to me! One of the buses I take most often runs from my home to downtown and beyond. Riding one mile takes about 10-12 minutes. There are about 6 stops between mine and the one I most frequently depart. The next mile, deep into downtown, takes about 15 minutes. In downtown there is pretty much a stop each block. It is a local bus that goes through residential areas, though after downtown it is not uncommon for some of those stops not to have pickups. I think SF Muni buses takes the record for slowest transit ever, and even then the average speed is about 4-4.5MPH!
The condo residents will be expressly forbidden from parking in the shopping center parking lot. There are no garages to share, either, so I don't know how you're so sure of that.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:57 PM
 
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Lots of things, but for starters, have some architecture that isn't basically identical to literally hundreds of other places I've been to around the country. I feel like that could be practically anywhere. Variety is the spice of life, and seeing so many undifferentiated places gets boring.
There are only so many ways to build a grocery store, which does have a big mural on the side facing Centennial; a drug store, restaurants, etc.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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There are only so many ways to build a grocery store, which does have a big mural on the side facing Centennial; a drug store, restaurants, etc.
Plenty of examples of places that are wayyy more interesting than that.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:04 PM
 
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I get why your child takes the bus over walking, books and cellos are heavy and cumbersome to carry, but an able body adult such as myself would rather walk and get to where I am going in a shorter amount of time than take a bus if a bus takes 45 minutes to commute 1.6 miles, which I think is inaccurate because that would mean I am traveling faster on foot than a bus driving on a road.
Given the bus could take 10, 15, 30 minutes to show up and given an average walking speed of 3.1 miles an hour for an person could walk about half a mile in 10 mins given 30 mins. and they would have almost finished the trip. For short distances buses are very slow method because you have to wait for them.Walking, biking an driving cut out that wait time. Recently the CTA has done an project to double the speed of some buses in the loop from 3 miles an hour to 6(LOL!!!).
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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Plenty of examples of places that are wayyy more interesting than that.
Well, fine! Consider me not impressed!
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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Given the bus could take 10, 15, 30 minutes to show up and given an average walking speed of 3.1 miles an hour for an person could walk about half a mile in 10 mins given 30 mins. and they would have almost finished the trip. For short distances buses are very slow method because you have to wait for them.Walking, biking an driving cut out that wait time. Recently the CTA has done an project to double the speed of some buses in the loop from 3 miles an hour to 6(LOL!!!).
That would make more sense if one is counting wait time, which that can very depending on when one arrives at a stop to when the next bus comes. Granted if one is near a stop, they can time the buses to reduce the amount of wait time at the stop.

As for the Chicago loop, that makes sense when you calculate stop times and wait times at lights. I know Portland times their lights downtown to make the max driving speed 12mph.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:14 PM
 
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That would make more sense if one is counting wait time, which that can very depending on when one arrives at a stop to when the next bus comes. Granted if one is near a stop, they can time the buses to reduce the amount of wait time at the stop.

As for the Chicago loop, that makes sense when you calculate stop times and wait times at lights. I know Portland times their lights downtown to make the max driving speed 12mph.
Cars in downtown are capable of going faster than that.
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