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I'm commenting on the maps. But what? I was commenting on whatever I found interesting, I'm unsure what you're trying to argue if anything. I liked your link. I didn't you say you had been to Paris or London.
They left out big parks in London as well. Would parks up the score much? I thought it was based on street trees.
Edit: reading their paper it sounds like it was just based on streets, but then parks show up. Maybe they're missing in the maps but don't affect the score.
But . . . there's always some rationale for Europe, e.g. only in the old part of town, smaller city limits, etc.
I was the one saying that I didn't have any knowledge of Paris or London. However, I have said that I didn't see a lot of trees in western Europe. It looks like my eyes weren't fooling me. I mean, how can you have a lot of trees when the apartment houses are built right up against the sidewalk, as they are in many German cities, and the town squares are all bricked over?
But . . . there's always some rationale for Europe, e.g. only in the old part of town, smaller city limits, etc.
I wasn't trying to provide a rationale, I was commenting on the patterns of the cities, I think my comments were accurate? The small city limit has to skew Paris numbers. I do think it's a bit misleading to just focus on the old part of the city.
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I was the one saying that I didn't have any knowledge of Paris or London. However, I have said that I didn't see a lot of trees in western Europe. It looks like my eyes weren't fooling me. I mean, how can you have a lot of trees when the apartment houses are built right up against the sidewalk, as they are in many German cities, and the town squares are all bricked over?
The town squares don't take up much area. The "only in the old part of town" does explain the numbers. Most of the area of a European city isn't the old part of town. Amsterdam ends up with a higher score than Boston, I'm guessing for that reason. But skimming, streetview it seems odd that it does.
This is about how many trees you can get with apartment buildings against the sidewalk:
I wasn't trying to provide a rationale, I was commenting on the patterns of the cities, I think my comments were accurate? The small city limit has to skew Paris numbers. I do think it's a bit misleading to just focus on the old part of the city.
The town squares don't take up much area. The "only in the old part of town" does explain the numbers. Most of the area of a European city isn't the old part of town. Amsterdam ends up with a higher score than Boston, I'm guessing for that reason. But skimming, streetview it seems odd that it does.
This is about how many trees you can get with apartment buildings against the sidewalk:
Although European cities are/were generally more densely built than American cities, I wonder if one could say that--generally--the parts built outside of the medieval/defensive walls were built with ideals more similar to their contemporary cities in the US?
Take Florence, Italy for example. (I was a little disappointed that the only Italian city available in the link was Turin ) Its medieval walls were demolished in the late 19th century, when it was made the temporary capital of the newly unified Italy. Based on the maps I've seen, it appears there was little development outside of the walls, until they were demolished. So, that development would have happened around the same time as the development of many of the US's eastern--and even Midwestern--cities. If you look at the Google aerial of the city, you can see a lot more green mixed into the development, outside of the boundary where the walls were. Granted, much of the green is located in internal courtyards, but there are many more tree-lined avenues and parks, outside of those boundaries, as well.
Here is a medieval (Roman, if you want to get technical) street in Florence: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7715...7i13312!8i6656
Absolutely no room for any trees. Extremely dense, because the walls constrained development.
I wasn't trying to provide a rationale, I was commenting on the patterns of the cities, I think my comments were accurate? The small city limit has to skew Paris numbers. I do think it's a bit misleading to just focus on the old part of the city.
The town squares don't take up much area. The "only in the old part of town" does explain the numbers. Most of the area of a European city isn't the old part of town. Amsterdam ends up with a higher score than Boston, I'm guessing for that reason. But skimming, streetview it seems odd that it does.
This is about how many trees you can get with apartment buildings against the sidewalk:
I was trying to find an example of "trees when the apartment houses are built right up against the sidewalk" as you said, that was the first place I could think of.
I was trying to find an example of "trees when the apartment houses are built right up against the sidewalk" as you said, that was the first place I could think of.
Yes, and it's attractive. I was talking about Germany.
There are a lot more of these I've run into, I think it's quite common in southern California and the southwest especially. Maybe it's common in other places.
Treepedia seems interesting. Would love to see them update their methodology and survey more cities.
The Providence, RI channelization looks much more European. Both have dense buildings built right to the river bank and vertical walls and a walkway along the river. The southwest ones aren't quite as built up, but might have something to do with a very irregular river flow level and route. LA County has a history of its channelization:
Treepedia's result look a bit odd, but I need to go through it again
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I was commenting on whatever I found interesting, I'm unsure what you're trying to argue if anything. I liked your link. I didn't you say you had been to Paris or London.
) Its medieval walls were demolished in the late 19th century, when it was made the temporary capital of the newly unified Italy. Based on the maps I've seen, it appears there was little development outside of the walls, until they were demolished. So, that development would have happened around the same time as the development of many of the US's eastern--and even Midwestern--cities. If you look at the Google aerial of the city, you can see a lot more green mixed into the development, outside of the boundary where the walls were. Granted, much of the green is located in internal courtyards, but there are many more tree-lined avenues and parks, outside of those boundaries, as well.
