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Oh? I was in Germany in 2008 (I think), not in Berlin, though. I was in Cologne and Frankfort. I know I was there when my daughter was in PT school; 2006-2009.
It really isn't really about "exercise" with the goal of losing weight. Or even transit. People who travel slower stop more, it gives you an excuse to interact with your neighbors and surrounding. Lots of benefits. Whether you take more steps per day or not. It would encourage less sitting which everyone agree is bad.
It is making not driving an option. It doesn't even mean entertainment. Most countries do a better job than we do of not designing cities only for car transport. Enabling trips for incidentals via smart design and infrastructure takes nothing away from anyone. And isn't a city only amenity. Lots of suburbs are walkable in parts because useful stuff is clustered in a way to make it possible to do on one trip. Even one on foot.
"Everyone" does not agree on anything, though that probably comes close.
"Most countries" designed their cities long before urban planning, or cars ever existed. Actually, most of our cities were extant before cars as well, as anyone living in California should know.
I'd like to know why every thread like this turns into an anti-car rant.
Yes, this is so frustrating. There are a growing number of millennials and seniors are not driving at all. Instead of developing a good transportation system we are headed in the direction of delivery and self driving vehicles. It will be interesting to watch how this progresses.
Not really for millennials. As the economy has improved, so has car ownership. I don't think personal transportation vehicles will ever be replaced. People like to be able to go when they want to go. The type of vehicle will change, but not private ownership-my prediction. Most seniors don't give up driving until they absolutely have to; it takes away their freedom. Always having to arrange rides is a pain.
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I saw plenty of bike lanes in Berlin. They were likely installed in the last couple decades.
The choice to pave with concrete was done over 100 years ago; it's difficult to undo if there are buildings right nearby. It's done in some US cities, too. Providence:
While I agree it's difficult to undo, I love the excuse. It's always "different" with Europe. It was dumb then; it's dumb now. Yes, I've seen that in the US in a few cases, but not virtually everywhere as in western Europe.
Not really for millennials. As the economy has improved, so has car ownership. I don't think personal transportation vehicles will ever be replaced. People like to be able to go when they want to go. The type of vehicle will change, but not private ownership-my prediction. Most seniors don't give up driving until they absolutely have to; it takes away their freedom. Always having to arrange rides is a pain.
While I agree it's difficult to undo, I love the excuse. It's always "different" with Europe. It was dumb then; it's dumb now. Yes, I've seen that in the US in a few cases, but not virtually everywhere as in western Europe.
His statement should be that car ownership rates among millennials as a group is both substantially lower and starts at a later age, if at all, than people of prior generations. That part is very much true. It's also true that people like to be able to go when they want to go. These things are all true!
Channelized waterways are really common among smaller waterways that have urban centers adjacent to them throughout the developed world--I think that's probably the more accurate statement.
While I agree it's difficult to undo, I love the excuse. It's always "different" with Europe. It was dumb then; it's dumb now. Yes, I've seen that in the US in a few cases, but not virtually everywhere as in western Europe.
My giving a New England example, I was trying to say it's not as different.
My point is they're from choices a long time; not from any current view today. It's not meant to be an excuse, but I don't have particularly strong feelings on them. The choice to build them was made at a time when most didn't travel much faster than walking speed, land was at a premium, and the waterfront also at a premium. It's not random that Providence has them; it's an old ciy and the waterway is small. While not the best ecologically, the channelized river in Prague I thought was quite nice, and it's a popular tourist attraction:
"Most countries" designed their cities long before urban planning, or cars ever existed. Actually, most of our cities were extant before cars as well, as anyone living in California should know.
The old parts of European cities predate urban planning, but 19th and 20th century development, which is where the majority live do not. German cities in particular, as you know, had to be rebuilt after the war.
Speaking of Germany, I was impressed how much the center cities were rebuilt to the old form in a way that tried to keep the old urban form and style. Rather than say, developing in outlying areas and ignoring the old city. May reflect a culture that values their cities more? Or just an architectural conservatism?
His statement should be that car ownership rates among millennials as a group is both substantially lower and starts at a later age, if at all, than people of prior generations. That part is very much true. It's also true that people like to be able to go when they want to go. These things are all true!
Channelized waterways are really common among smaller waterways that have urban centers adjacent to them throughout the developed world--I think that's probably the more accurate statement.
See this: The Great Millennial Car Comeback - The Atlantic
"One of the hazards of being paid to think out loud is that most ideas are wrong, and some of those wrong ideas are bound to be yours.
Several years ago, I wrote a column with Jordan Weissmann, now the senior business and economics correspondent for Slate, about how young people, gutted by the Great Recession, might turn against the culture of suburban homes and cars, the two big-ticket items that have powered the country through previous recessions. . . . This week, Bloomberg reports new data from J.D. Power & Associates, which finds that Millennials, or Generation Y (essentially: anybody born in the 1980s or 1990s), now account for 27 percent of new car sales. That's more than Generation X, and second only to Boomers."
I'll address channelization later. It was considered a bad environmental idea back in the 1970s in the US. But if it's in Europe, of course, "that's different".
I'll address channelization later. It was considered a bad environmental idea back in the 1970s in the US. But if it's in Europe, of course, "that's different".
I didn't say it was bad in the US or good in Europe. I'm not criticizing them anywhere; so how am I treating Europe differently?
See this: The Great Millennial Car Comeback - The Atlantic
"One of the hazards of being paid to think out loud is that most ideas are wrong, and some of those wrong ideas are bound to be yours.
Several years ago, I wrote a column with Jordan Weissmann, now the senior business and economics correspondent for Slate, about how young people, gutted by the Great Recession, might turn against the culture of suburban homes and cars, the two big-ticket items that have powered the country through previous recessions. . . . This week, Bloomberg reports new data from J.D. Power & Associates, which finds that Millennials, or Generation Y (essentially: anybody born in the 1980s or 1990s), now account for 27 percent of new car sales. That's more than Generation X, and second only to Boomers."
The above also agrees Millennials buying cars at a later age.
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I'm not criticizing them anywhere; so how am I treating Europe differently?
