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Old 08-13-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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There's one big exception: Coastal California suburbs.

Look at Irvine, California. The houses are just as, if not even closer together, than in Markham, Ontario.

California, once again, is the exception to everything the U.S. is known for.
That is only because of necessity. Most of California is difficult to live in because of mountainous terrain and weather extremes.

So, the great majority of the population had to be squeezed in near the coast.
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Higher Canadian fuel prices limit home size and sprawl. Getting a license is much more work, and the Ontario government randomly cancels drivers' licenses without notice. Parking tickets are a tremendous scam through all of Canada, on streets and in private parking garages.
There is nothing that you wrote here that is true and I've lived in Ontario all my life. Thanks for the laugh though!
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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How's gas prices in Toronto now?

Gas prices in Los Angeles County (which is very close to the California average) now are at $1.27 CAD/liter.
$1.33 CAD/liter in San Francisco (most expensive gas among major U.S. cities)

$0.92 CAD/liter for the U.S. average.
Believe it or not Costco is reliably the cheapest place to get gas if you are a Costco member in T.O
Right now in Toronto at Costco it is 1.08 CAD per litre

If just a regular gas station 1.15 - 1.16 CAD per litre.

Costco is almost always between 5 -8 cent a litre cheaper than pretty much everywhere else, unless you are talking the odd mom and pop stn that may be the same as Costco but they are few and far between.
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:32 PM
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Location: California
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I think you miss read the title, Canadian suburbs are MORE dense than the ones in the US despite Canada being less dense overall.
This is certainly not the case in Edmonton.
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:43 PM
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Location: California
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What's so great about Irvine? I feel like Oak Park, IL, Cambridge, MA, and Hoboken, NJ offer a better experience as far as dense suburbs go. My knowledge of dense suburbs isn't that great, so I don't have many examples, but having been to Irvine, CA, I don't get it.
Some of the best schools in the nation are in Irvine and not just in one corner of it. Its also a location of many high paying tech and financial jobs. Its safe, has a nice climate and many world-class outdoor attractions located nearby. Its still too dense for me, but its not a bad choice for a lot of people.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:22 PM
 
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What's so great about Irvine? I feel like Oak Park, IL, Cambridge, MA, and Hoboken, NJ offer a better experience as far as dense suburbs go. My knowledge of dense suburbs isn't that great, so I don't have many examples, but having been to Irvine, CA, I don't get it.
Oak Park, Cambridge, and Hoboken are all prewar, inner suburbs. I should have been more clear: This discussion is primarily about predominantly postwar, master planned suburbs. Like Naperville, IL; how Naperville is less dense than its Canadian peers Vaughn and Markham in Greater Toronto.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:25 PM
 
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Believe it or not Costco is reliably the cheapest place to get gas if you are a Costco member in T.O
Right now in Toronto at Costco it is 1.08 CAD per litre

If just a regular gas station 1.15 - 1.16 CAD per litre.

Costco is almost always between 5 -8 cent a litre cheaper than pretty much everywhere else, unless you are talking the odd mom and pop stn that may be the same as Costco but they are few and far between.
California: The ONLY US state in the lower 48 where gas is MORE expensive than it is in Toronto!

"The U.S. has cheaper gas than Canada."
"I agree, except in California."

"The U.S. is has looser environmental laws than Canada."
"I agree, except in California."

"The U.S. has more sprawling suburbs than Canada."
"I agree, except in California."

I see a pattern...
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:48 PM
 
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OK, time for some visual aids comparing three low-rise areas in 3 postwar, upscale, master-planned suburbs in North America at virtually the same scale. All three areas appear to be entirely built after 2000.

Canadian suburb density (Markham, Toronto suburb):

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma...!4d-79.3370188


American (non-Californian) suburb density (Naperville, Chicago suburb):

google.com/maps/place/Naperville,+IL/@41.6747169,-88.2010049,958m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x880e5761e216cd07:0x87df9 c2c7f203052!8m2!3d41.7508391!4d-88.1535352


American (Californian) suburb density (Irvine, Los Angeles suburb):

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Na...!4d-88.1535352

Clearly Naperville is far less dense than Markham, while Irvine is at least as dense as Markham.

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Old 08-14-2019, 12:03 AM
 
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This is certainly not the case in Edmonton.
I guess Alberta's different; people keep saying how Alberta is the most conservative, Americanized province in Canada.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I guess Alberta's different; people keep saying how Alberta is the most conservative, Americanized province in Canada.
Not sure I agree about Edmonton's suburbia.


Most of Edmonton's suburbia built in the past 35 years has this type of density:


https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.52236...2!8i6656?hl=fr


(Older suburbia is a bit more spacious and of course élite prestige suburbia on estate lots is still being built but it's just a teeny tiny fraction of suburbia.)


In Alberta's other main city, Calgary, suburban densities are very similar to Edmonton's:


https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.88618...2!8i6656?hl=fr


It's also similar to what you see in Ottawa, Canada's capital on the other side of the country:


https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.27772...2!8i6656?hl=fr
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