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View Poll Results: Which causes more pollution per capita, a dense urban center, or a sprawling suburb?
a dense urban center 23 38.33%
a sprawling suburb 37 61.67%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2008, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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NYC is far more dense than Houston is and more dense than L.A. NYC is one of the few cities built with a similiar type of urbanity found in European cities.
I understand that NYC is denser than L.A and Houston. All i want to know is if there are alot of suburbs surrounding NYC like L.A and Houston? I'm thinking NYC also has suburbs just like L.A. and Houston. I would think every city in the U.S.A. is sprawling.
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Complex analysis....suspect suburbs and decentralized urban regions are ultimately more efficient for both society and individual families on many fronts....

Dense urban business districts like Midtown Manhattan and Chic's Loop force many thousands of daily commuters who reside in suburbs 20-50mis away to waste signif money/time/hassle to commute to a central locale, as opposed to much closer suburban office parks....

Most upper middle-class (and more affluent) people prefer to reside in economically segregated suburbs w/decent, safe public schools....raising kids in Manhattan or Chic is typically stuff of either the poor....or the wealthy who are "Gulfstream socialists" and can afford to insulate themselves in doorman-guarded condo towers; send kids to $30K/yr/kid private schools; and have wkend houses in the suburbs/country to escape the City in their SUV

Part of why US cost of living is so low, esp in the newer LA-model decentralized regions like Dallas/Houston, is the availability of cheap, new suburban housing nr suburban office parks...and nr cheap retailers like WalMart/Costco, etc....old, dense cities tend to be high COL places w/high taxes and archaic, unsafe, dirty infrastructure and elderly, costly housing that often lacks basic, modern HVAC, etc etc

Risk exposure vs violent crime is a major consideration of dense urban centers esp if one uses mass transit....suspect a violent assault requiring signif healthcare and/or leaving one w/disabilities leaves a decent carbon footprint....and costs for all those surgeries and/or lost wages can't be cheap....
Oh my god! Is this a normal view of what's going on?! You think 300,000 suburban workers who go to 11 rail lines that run them into downtown Chicago for work is more polluting than 300,000 people....which would support an area of easily a million peoplle on its own.....is if everyone drove to work???
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Old 10-02-2008, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Both are bad for the enviroment.
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Exactly. Older cities that developed before the car are much more dense.

With that said, there is still a ton of sprawl overall because of the suburbs/white flight from east coast cities, and it's pretty ridiculous to argue that the marginally better environment in those city boundaries does any real good compared to western/newer cities because the east coast has suburban sprawl (Jersey anyone? Metro DC???). America as a whole has developed irresponsibly and it will bite us all in the ass later.
True, the development of American cities was designed for the corporation by the corporation, oil and gas is one of the reasons why we have suburban sprawl. Even in the better cities, the sprawl is still bad.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Just look at the gas consumption per capita by state. DC and NY are at the bottom of the list while more rural state use the most. In addition to more people walking and taking trains in dense cities, people also live in smaller places.

To answer a previous question, yes NYC does have plenty of suburbs (8.2 million in the city + another 12 million in the suburbs of LI, NJ, CT and the Hudson Valley).

NYC has several "satellite cities". These are cities that are dense and have their own downtown business districts and train systems. They include Newark, Jersey City, White PLains, Stamford, Bridgeport, and New Rochelle.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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The main city carpool or use buses/taxie/etc
and if close enough they even walk.

but the metro suburbs are the ones that each need an individual car to travel to work everyday.

For Example
I noticed when i go to NYC, i see A LOT of New Jersey license plates that if i didnt know what city i was in, looking at license plates wouldnt give me any help.
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