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Old 10-01-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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You can't honestly tell me in that situation (if you were the cop) that you would have thought he was going for his license. That cop needs to spend more time at the range... his shooting is terrible.

You can say that all you want but if any of us do the same thing, we will PAY, whether it is a mistake or what, so don't even give me that nonsense. According to you, the cop should have shot better and the civilian should be dead for grabbing his wallet.

Really, that is just another white cop that is scared of the average black american; typical stuff going on in the usa, no better way to put it.
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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The cop need to seek his true profession -- WalMart greeter. This why very few people should be allowed to carry weapons.
Which few?

The few that might do something some might not agree with?

I don't follow...

Are you upset he fired so many times and the guy is still alive?
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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You can say that all you want but if any of us do the same thing, we will PAY, whether it is a mistake or what, so don't even give me that nonsense. According to you, the cop should have shot better and the civilian should be dead for grabbing his wallet.
Do what? Jump in your car and reach for a license like that? Honestly, I can't believe anyone with average common sense would do that...

To answer your question, yes, I don't think anyone should ever draw a weapon and shoot to wound. Well, there are limited and rare exceptions, but that is out of scope.

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Really, that is just another white cop that is scared of the average black american; typical stuff going on in the usa, no better way to put it.
No, there are much better ways to put it. But if someone can't see any other ways but the way you put it, then they might believe that is the best way to put it.

I still don't see what this has to do with legal carry in DC???? None of our anti-gun people can directly relate this video with the thread... outside it had a gun it.. and a car, a camera, sky, and air.... maybe even pollution.
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Old 10-02-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Which few?

The few that might do something some might not agree with?

I don't follow...

Are you upset he fired so many times and the guy is still alive?
Amateurs should not be carrying guns on public streets and as we have seen even many of the police should be restricted. The officer in question lacks the temperament to perform police duties and has been dismissed from the force.
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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Do what? Jump in your car and reach for a license like that? Honestly, I can't believe anyone with average common sense would do that....
Well he was still wrong for shooting the guy. He didn't look or sound threatening at all whatsoever.
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Amateurs should not be carrying guns on public streets and as we have seen even many of the police should be restricted.
I can agree that amateurs should not be carrying guns on public streets... I'm prior military, so I'm not an amateur... so I can carry a gun? Who defines amateur? What is your definition of "amateur" since you don't think the police can carry now?

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The officer in question lacks the temperament to perform police duties and has been dismissed from the force.
I don't feel like looking around... so if so, please post the source. At any rate, if dismissed, the full video must have showed considerable info. As I stated before, the small clip on this site does not show enough. All of us playing the "if" game...

But I still don't see how it relates to full carry in DC... it does not. Guess you want to link it to "amateurs". Okay...
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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Well he was still wrong for shooting the guy. He didn't look or sound threatening at all whatsoever.
I agree.... if the cop had sounded or looked threatening, the guy would not have jumped back in his vehicle like that.

But I'm sure him being "black" had nothing to do with it. To assume everyone/every situation is a racist situation takes things to another level and weakens your argument when real racism happens.
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Old 10-03-2014, 06:29 AM
 
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I can agree that amateurs should not be carrying guns on public streets... I'm prior military, so I'm not an amateur... so I can carry a gun? Who defines amateur? What is your definition of "amateur" since you don't think the police can carry now?
Many of my men were never issued firearms when I was in the military, so no.

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I don't feel like looking around... so if so, please post the source. At any rate, if dismissed, the full video must have showed considerable info. As I stated before, the small clip on this site does not show enough. All of us playing the "if" game...

But I still don't see how it relates to full carry in DC... it does not. Guess you want to link it to "amateurs". Okay...
If you don't feel like looking around, you can accept my word. The small clip shows what we don't want: a jumpy and armed individual acting out his fears. It's OK to be afraid. It's not OK to shoot someone merely because you are afraid. Amateurs are frequently afraid. That's why we don't want them on the streets and armed.
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Old 10-03-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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If you don't feel like looking around, you can accept my word. The small clip shows what we don't want: a jumpy and armed individual acting out his fears. It's OK to be afraid. It's not OK to shoot someone merely because you are afraid. Amateurs are frequently afraid. That's why we don't want them on the streets and armed.
I think that a fair and valid point.

But again, is that not what you already have in DC? A lot of amateurs carrying guns? That is why a lot of bystanders get shot- because these guys cannot shoot well. Not to mention they are not paying one iota of attention to any law.

Perhaps classes, training, and range time in order to require the permit?
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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I think that a fair and valid point.

But again, is that not what you already have in DC? A lot of amateurs carrying guns? That is why a lot of bystanders get shot- because these guys cannot shoot well. Not to mention they are not paying one iota of attention to any law.

Perhaps classes, training, and range time in order to require the permit?
You don't stop giving people influenza shots because there is an outbreak of influenza. If carrying a weapon is illegal, when you stop someone with a weapon it can be taken off the street.

We don't require perfection in our laws. Murder remains illegal despite it's occurrence.
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