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I don't count the suburbs as part of a city, they are just towns in the metro area, which means I am going by the CBD. Penrith which is a town west of Sydney DOES have a Cfa climate whereas Sydney has a Cfb climate which is Oceanic.
Penrith is a suburb of Sydney. Sydney CBD isn't more "Sydney" than its suburbs, if that makes sense. North, south, west...it's all Sydney.
Sydney CBD being Cfb is debatable. I personally can see some portions of the City being more Cfb than Cfa, like the southeastern suburbs on the coast. After all, we are on a transitional zone - The next city on top of us is Cfa (Newcastle) and the major city below us is Cfb (Wollongong). As such, in some years we can be more, say, Cfb than Cfa.
I think somebody from BOM/Wiki saw this thread, got humiliated, and then they rightfully shaded the Sydney area in subtropical'a light green colour. Lol...
The Sydney CBD is pretty unambiguously Cfa, the last year where the warmest month didn't reach a mean of at least 22C was 1995, and even then it was only by 0.1C.
The Sydney CBD is pretty unambiguously Cfa, the last year where the warmest month didn't reach a mean of at least 22C was 1995, and even then it was only by 0.1C.
Not all of Sydney is Cfa, though. The Hills District (i.e. Hornsby) is oceanic, as their warmest month doesn't reach 22C.
Anyway, glad that there is another person living in Sydney on these boards. I'm probably the only Sydneysider here, besides one other user who rarely comes on.
Anyway, glad that there is another person living in Sydney on these boards. I'm probably the only Sydneysider here, besides one other user who rarely comes on.
Indeed, it's strange that their aren't more really, it's not exactly a small city.
Indeed, it's strange that their aren't more really, it's not exactly a small city.
Unless there was a cooling trend in that time period, I don't think the averages would be any different. Incidentally, Sydney CBD's warmest mean was still 22C in the 1881-1910 normals, although the winters were 2C cooler (http://www.city-data.com/forum/weath...0-normals.html. But I don't know...
I think it's because CityData is a very North American-based forum? But yeah, it's surprising that there are barely people from Sydney in here (not just in the weather forum).
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Now you're just being pedantic.
Tell that to Koppen. Anything under the 22C threshold will not be subtropical to him.
Wollongong also misses the mark by 0.1C (Wollongong's warmest month mean is 21.9C). So now, unfortunately, it's oceanic just because it's 0.1C cooler than the 22C isotherm.
You can always call them transitional, though. I do categorize Wollongong and other cities in the likes (having a mean of 21.6C-ish in the warmest month) as borderline Cfa/Cfb, than just Cfb.
I'd say that much of the NSW coast, say from Port Stephens down to Ulladulla, has in fact the same climate. It all seems to be affected by the same sort of weather anyway.
I'd say that much of the NSW coast, say from Port Stephens down to Ulladulla, has in fact the same climate. It all seems to be affected by the same sort of weather anyway.
Yeah, I agree. But obviously Koppen wouldn't (Ulladulla will be oceanic to him since the summer mean is below 22C). I can't see how Wollongong has more in common with London and Glasgow than with Sydney.
Koppen should've had an "in-between" class, like for climates that have winters too warm for oceanic, but still cool enough in the summer to be just Cfa.
Grouping and classification shouldn't be taken for granted anyway. Like language family classifications for instance - Farsi would obviously sound more like Turkish and Arabic for the foreign ear, but it's actually in fact "genetically" closer to European languages like English and Portuguese, since it's a Indo-European language like they are.
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Warmest month is below 74°F (a better cut off than 71.6°), so Sydney is Warm Oceanic Warm Summer (Warmest month 64°-73.9°F)
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