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Old 02-18-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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John Hawkins | Feb 18, 2014

This should rile up the Global Warming Pundits no end. Should be fun to read their rants about this:

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There hasn't been any global warming since 1997

There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man:

Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012

Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over

Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong
Oh yeah! I know. It's no longer GW, it's Man-made Climate Change. Read the full piece – with links – @ 5 Scientific Reasons That Global Warming Isn't Happening - John Hawkins - Page full

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Old 02-18-2014, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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First, I agree with Dr. Richard Lindzen, a professor of atmospheric science at MIT, who said, “Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age.”

BUT, those 5 points do not prove that global warming is not happening. 15 years without warming is too short a time to make such a claim. Additionally, the claim that Arctic ice increased by 50% over the past 2 years is not even true.

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Old 02-18-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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First, I agree with Dr. Richard Lindzen, a professor of atmospheric science at MIT, who said, “Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age.”
that pretty much sums up my position in this debate as well.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Paris
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Reason 1 -> Global warming isn't supposed to be linear. Natural climatic oscillations still occur and have a large impact on global temps:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/The-...l-warming.html

Graph I just made (yeah PDO phases aren't equal and don't result in sinusoidal temperature trends, but this is a simplification). Above, the situation without warming. Below, with a warming skew. The second graph looks a lot like what has been observed since 1910: warming periods and "stalls". More heat goes into the oceans instead of the atmosphere compared to "average". For now. Bottom line, the earth is still warming if one looks at the big picture.

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Old 02-18-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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Nice, nice.

Unfortunately nobody has been able to publish a f*ck*ng single peer-reviewed paper in order to debunk any single argument about the anthropogenic global warming within the science community. Just flawed information unable to get to academic specialized areas, but only focused on trying to convince people who know nothing about the ways the science works.

All these points were already largely explained (some of them are totally ridiculous), so if you like the topic of climate change just stop reading blogs and other articles that satisfice your prejudices and get some papers from peer-reviewed magazines. There's a world of climatologists who try to understand how the climate works out there, and after many years of studies they've got some very solid stuff. Don't think you're discovering the fire after reading a couple of paragraphs.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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Not debunked, per se, but the whole theory has not yet overcome the null hypothesis.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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I'm far more fascinated by the real science displayed in this post. That being the nature of bias in human psychology and it's maladaptive aspects in the modern context. I suppose bias has it's place. One needs to keep a positive outlook in order to overcome adversity and survive when all seems lost, but bias (or belief) that catastrophic climate change caused by humans is not happening, simply is an ancillary confirmation by humans that it is indeed happening.

You can expect more and more denial and will be increasingly shrill in tone as forests world wide burn off, as the arctic becomes ice free, as methane trapped in permafrost is released and speeds up the process.

One can assume that some, maybe even most, of the spew from the climate change deniers, is merely paid for by industries who have a stake in denial. Hell we ALL have a stake in denial in some way. No one I know has modified their activities one iota in the face of this.

In any case it does not matter anymore. This deal is done. The feedback loops are fully in place so that if we stopped producing green house gases today, we're still going to cook. I think everyone should start partying right now so that we will have some (recent) fond memories when the famines hit. You see that's when we will really stop this nonsense. No water, no food, no predictable climate...no food. And nature does not care.
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Wellington and North of South
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More rubbish from deniers. Move on - nothing to see here! But they're of course welcome to try their luck at NZ's Hot Topic - they eat them for breakfast!
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:30 AM
 
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Townhall? Yeah there is a reason why you people cannot get in peer reviewed science journals. It's because you have no science to back you up.

Your 5 reasons aren't science and have been debunked time and time again.

Global warming is real and it's manmade. It's also quite dangerous. Also guess what warming up the planet will cause extreme weather changes including severe harsher winters. Did you people fail science class when it was mentioned that a hot summer leads to a cold winter while a mild winter often leads to a very mild summer and the reasons for this?

Also it was explained that if sea levels rise that would increase the amount of moisture in the atmosphere leading to more rain and hence more snow etc. Also the rising sea levels hold more carbon dioxide so if CO2 gets dumped more then that aspect of global warming gets slowed for a bit. Leading to another interesting fact which seems to escape you deniers but which was in fact told to you people if you had actually listened and was in fact predicated. That some of the pollution that causes global warming also tends to halt some of the effects for a bit of time. It's a Luciferian bargin though.

Also we stopped certain things so some of the predicated effects. We don't tend to have rivers going up in flames every day in the US do we? This is because certain pollutants were stopped from being dumped into the rivers killing everything in the river and changing the composition of the river water causing it to ignite.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Global warming is real and it's manmade. It's also quite dangerous. Also guess what warming up the planet will cause extreme weather changes including severe harsher winters. Did you people fail science class when it was mentioned that a hot summer leads to a cold winter while a mild winter often leads to a very mild summer and the reasons for this?
Please tell me that you are joking.

For what it's worth, here are some graphs that show that extremes at one end go up while extremes at the other go down, but over all, extremes are not increasing (according to science).


http://cliffmass.blogspot.ca/2014/01...ing-about.html

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