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The water under the surface though is not that cold by anomaly standards. I thought you need really cold water under the surface that builds up from the previous Nino.
Speaking of, you would think all the warm PDO water on the surface would cause the bottom water to become even colder due to no mixing of the layers. I hope when the cold PDO returns, it returns with a vengeance like we haven't seen. I want to see a ring of brutally cold water all along the west coast of North America. Just see what kind of winter Seattle gets if that ever happens.
Nina seems to be dying again. The water under the surface is not really that cold. This would buck the trend where a big Nino is followed by a big Nina. Who knows what SST will look like by December though.
One thing seems to be happening is that rain and thunderstorms are starting to happen now here. We are on tap to receive 2" to 3" today into tomorrow with some big tstorms. That doesn't seem like a Nina summer anymore.
Here we go again with a 2014 January, or worse 1984.
We got much less than that kind of rain here. And 1984 was a mild January.
I like the sound of a neutral PDO (probably better than even a cold PDO) with warm AMO and a moderate Nina. Maybe the Nina will turn moderate.
It has the potential too, especially if the PDO keeps dropping. More the PDO drops the stronger this Nina will be.
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