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Old 02-29-2016, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Are classifications useful?

Little of value can be deduced from them, and the parameters are too broad to allow a sense of sameness in actual day to day weather between members of the same group.

Flora and fauna are highly variable between groups other than the extremes of heat/cold.wet/dry = little value there.

Would systems based on Flora/fauna provide clearer understanding than a quantitative one with such wide parameters.
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Old 02-29-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: United Nations
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Yes.
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: In transition
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I think they are useful but all of the existing systems seem to have their flaws... I think they need to modify the Koppen/Trewartha system maybe by adding extra letters for things like hardiness zone, mean annual temp. and sunshine. Flora and fauna could be useful indicators as well but not sure how you'd incorporate that into an existing system.
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Old 02-29-2016, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yes.
Why?

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I think they are useful but all of the existing systems seem to have their flaws... I think they need to modify the Koppen/Trewartha system maybe by adding extra letters for things like hardiness zone, mean annual temp. and sunshine. Flora and fauna could be useful indicators as well but not sure how you'd incorporate that into an existing system.
Wouldn't flora and fauna on their own, say much more about the climate?
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Old 02-29-2016, 11:08 AM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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current classifications are OKAY, what i have a problem with is how labels are used. "Continental" is an attribute of a climate, "semi-arid" is an attribute of a climate, etc.

but to define a climate as solely being one attribute is foolish and sometimes wrong. that "one attribute" is often the majority minority in defining the climate. that is still the minority and represents less than half of the climate being described. that is a huge problem. climates are a mixture of different things and climate classifications should reflect this mixture or combination that is inherent in climatology.

the problem with using flora/fauna is they are just as much limited by geography (such as water or mountains) as they are limited by climate. so you would be at the very least restricted to classifying continents individually instead of one system for the planet. most likely there would be problems classifying Asia and some islands as well.

i don't know what the answer is or what the perfect system is. but i do know there can be a lot better than what we have currently.
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Old 02-29-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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I think they are useful but all of the existing systems seem to have their flaws... I think they need to modify the Koppen/Trewartha system maybe by adding extra letters for things like hardiness zone, mean annual temp. and sunshine. Flora and fauna could be useful indicators as well but not sure how you'd incorporate that into an existing system.
i think a climate classification that incorporates things such as daily standard deviation and monthly standard deviation, hardiness zone and heat zone would be useful.

as an example: cfb72HmLd

where 72HmLd stands for
7=hardiness zone
2=heat zone
Hm = HIGH monthly standard devation
Ld = LOW daily standard deviation

then you have to set a criteria for what is a low and high daily and monthly standard deviation.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I think they are useful but all of the existing systems seem to have their flaws... I think they need to modify the Koppen/Trewartha system maybe by adding extra letters for things like hardiness zone, mean annual temp. and sunshine. Flora and fauna could be useful indicators as well but not sure how you'd incorporate that into an existing system.
Easier just to look at a Wiki box.

There just isn't any merit to any system, that I can see. Trying to make Melbourne and Copenhagen part of a group, is just an exercise in uselessness, which can't erve any real world purpose.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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They can be, but I think the current classifications are far too broad.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Easier just to look at a Wiki box.

There just isn't any merit to any system, that I can see. Trying to make Melbourne and Copenhagen part of a group, is just an exercise in uselessness, which can't erve any real world purpose.

How so? Wiki boxes do not indicate what happens within a month. Here a winter month can have wide variation. You wouldn't know that.
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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They can be, but I think the current classifications are far too broad.
what is an example of how they can be useful?
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