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Yet Sydney records warmer winters than anywhere north of the Florida border you penis mcghee wavehunter bumraper. And Sydney's summers are far from cold, average lows are around 20C, and the warmth lasts well into autumn. Coastal Sydney summers are warmer and more humid than coastal LA or San Diego. DAS HERP
There are subarctic locations with similar average highs in summer as Sydney .
Well I was just considering the areas where they are like weeds rather than where you can grow one or two. Their native habitat is in the lowlands of the Sonoran Desert in SW AZ, SE CA and northern Sonora state.
The ones around here aren't old enough to have seeded yet They've been growing for much longer further north, where they do seed and produce seedlings around the base -and those places only have average temperatures around 13/14C. I expect it's only a matter of time before they seed here.
Washingtonia doesn't need heat and thrives in cool summers, but I doubt they will become invasive though, as a plant has to be tough to compete in the thick NZ undergrowth.
Wow, how awesome. Those subarctic locations have far colder lows, lower humidity and -40C winters you f**klord. When Sydney is still enjoying 26C highs and 15C lows in mid autumn, your subarctic hotholes are already nearing freezing.
I don't what your talking about, autumn here is very warm. Not to mention my record high in winter is higher than sydneys , plus we have gotten winters similar to Sydney's. Places at Sydney's latitude get far warmer winters than Sydney's ever gotten some years. Sydney isn't special. Just very temperate is all. Also my average yearly temp is only a bit lower than Sydney's yet I live far north of Sydney and in the eastern us.
I don't what your talking about, autumn here is very warm. Not to mention my record high in winter is higher than sydneys , plus we have gotten winters similar to Sydney's. Places at Sydney's latitude get far warmer winters than Sydney's ever gotten some years. Sydney isn't special. Just very temperate is all. Also my average yearly temp is only a bit lower than Sydney's yet I live far north of Sydney and in the eastern us.
Sydney (Observatory Hill) averages 22.5/14.5 for 1981-2010
Sydney Airport averages 22.5/14.2 for 1981-2010
Parramatta (Further Inland) averages 23.3/12.1 for 1981-2010
Raleigh Durham Int. averages 22.0/10.0 for 1981-2010
That's not the same
It's true that Sydney isn't warm for its latitude, but neither is Raleigh.
Southern Florida is very warm for its latitude though.
Sydney (Observatory Hill) averages 22.5/14.5 for 1981-2010
Sydney Airport averages 22.5/14.2 for 1981-2010
Parramatta (Further Inland) averages 23.3/12.1 for 1981-2010
Raleigh Durham Int. averages 22.0/10.0 for 1981-2010
That's not the same
It's true that Sydney isn't warm for its latitude, but neither is Raleigh.
Southern Florida is very warm for its latitude though.
Very close though. Although our average low is significantly lower. The high rises further inland but the low drops in Australia. Looks at Canberra at same latitude as Raleigh,
Raleigh
22/10
Canberra
19.7/ 6.5
Also canberra has extremely cold summer record lows, it had recorded freezing temps 10 out of the 12 months of the year and frosts in every month, to be fair its at a altitude higher than raleigh but for it to be so cold in a continent so far north and far away from the poles is crazy, tells me that arctic blasts frequent Australia just as much as here except they don't pack a punch like here.
Also canberra has extremely cold summer record lows, it had recorded freezing temps 10 out of the 12 months of the year and frosts in every month, to be fair its at a altitude higher than raleigh but for it to be so cold in a continent so far north and far away from the poles is crazy, tells me that arctic blasts frequent Australia just as much as here except they don't pack a punch like here.
Very close though. Although our average low is significantly lower. The high rises further inland but the low drops in Australia. Looks at Canberra at same latitude as Raleigh,
Raleigh
22/10
Canberra
19.7/ 6.5
Also canberra has extremely cold summer record lows, it had recorded freezing temps 10 out of the 12 months of the year and frosts in every month, to be fair its at a altitude higher than raleigh but for it to be so cold in a continent so far north and far away from the poles is crazy, tells me that arctic blasts frequent Australia just as much as here except they don't pack a punch like here.
There are no big difference in mean temp.
That changes from about 31°N where the Us East Coast tends to be warmer than the Australian East coast at 31°S
There are no big difference in mean temp.
That changes from about 31°N where the Us East Coast tends to be warmer than the Australian East coast at 31°S
Even wagga wagga has recorded frosty temps in every month!
Even wagga wagga has recorded frosty temps in every month!
What are you meaning with "frost all months"?
Wagga Wagga can indeed get very cold summer nights that you won't ever see in Raleigh, nonetheless
it has 4 months (Dec,Jan,Feb,March) that haven't ever seen frost.
It's the opposite in winter, Where Raleigh can get very cold while Wagga Wagga has never gone below -6.3°C/20.7°F. (Period 1942-2016)
Raleigh is stable in Summer and unstable in winter.
Wagga Wagga is the opposite.
This isnt fact, it is opinion. Your opinion. One I havent ever heard voiced anywhere other than in this thread, in my lifetime. I dont consider the alot of the sunbelt to be subarctic? Personally I wish florida, texas,georgia,arizona and the carolinas would start promoting these states as subarctic second rate climates, maybe it would slow the massive emigration into these states from up north. lol
People keep bringing up some historical freezes, how about look at the drought records of alot of these other subtropical paradises? Alot of places could easily be considered dry , mediterranean climates
9 of the the top 10 states with the highest rainfall are in the south, 10 of the the top 13 large metros with the highest rainfall averages are in the south , why is the occasional freeze worse than prolonged drought cycles?
I've brought this very subject up and haven't gotten much of a response from 80's Tom. These single digit freezes get brought up that happened more than 30 years ago. I haven't been alive the last time my area has seen single digits. This isn't an "every decade" thing. As for the subtropical paradise that is the Mediterranean... You couldn't begin to grow the majority of subtropical and tropical palms without human intervention. There are water shortages all the time in Greece. What happens when you start having to regulate the water? Stuff dies. Some parts of the Mediterranean are just short of being classified as a semi arid climate. Without human intervention, you can't grow sabal palmettos or any other water loving palm (which includes the majority of palms); and this isn't a twice in a century occurrence, this is every year. And a majority of the rain falls in winter time.
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