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Old 04-10-2016, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Apparently the Pacific warm water Blob has been vanquished by El Nino, but the curious case of its counterpart in the Atlantic persists.

Interesting Blob blog: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/Je...?entrynum=3279
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Old 04-10-2016, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Apparently the Pacific warm water Blob has been vanquished by El Nino, but the curious case of its counterpart in the Atlantic persists.

Interesting Blob blog: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/Je...?entrynum=3279


No it hasn't. Only the one in the north central Pacific. The big one along the coast that gives them all that warm weather and kills us is still there. I want that one gone too.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:15 AM
 
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No it hasn't. Only the one in the north central Pacific. The big one along the coast that gives them all that warm weather and kills us is still there. I want that one gone too.
How has that killed us the last 6 months?

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Old 04-11-2016, 07:52 AM
 
Location: In transition
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No it hasn't. Only the one in the north central Pacific. The big one along the coast that gives them all that warm weather and kills us is still there. I want that one gone too.
Despite the fact that it's giving us above average temps, I'd like it gone too as it's creating other problems. I'd like to see the ocean near us to return to normal average temp.
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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How has that killed us the last 6 months?
We need a new baseline, when the entire country is above average, we need to re-adjust the average. I say to account for global warming, we only use the average over the last 20 years.
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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How has that killed us the last 6 months?

El Nino did that. The previous two years with no El Nino to swamp us with Pacific air gave us those winters due to a ridiculous ridge over that warm water. People seem to think a warm PDO is good for us. It isn't unless you like really cold winters. A cold PDO is overall better for us, but we have multiple teleconnections anyway. All in all I prefer cold PDO like 2012 and 2013. The 1980's were warm PDO.

Here is what a positive PDO does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifi...emperature.png
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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El Nino did that. The previous two years with no El Nino to swamp us with Pacific air gave us those winters due to a ridiculous ridge over that warm water. People seem to think a warm PDO is good for us. It isn't unless you like really cold winters. A cold PDO is overall better for us, but we have multiple teleconnections anyway. All in all I prefer cold PDO like 2012 and 2013. The 1980's were warm PDO.

Here is what a positive PDO does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifi...emperature.png

Are you sure? A cold PDO dominated the 1960's and 1970's and we had some BRUTAL winters here.... At least in the Midwest.

But yes, there are multiple teleconnections like you said, so don't get hung up on a Pacific warm blob Tom
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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Are you sure? A cold PDO dominated the 1960's and 1970's and we had some BRUTAL winters here.... At least in the Midwest.
Interesting, looking at the records I think the cold period in NY was the late 70s, along with the early 60s a bit. Late 70s really stand out though, 1976-1979 look like they were some rough winters in NYC. 1990-2002 have the nicest winters at first glance


http://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Cli...annualtemp.pdf
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Are you sure? A cold PDO dominated the 1960's and 1970's and we had some BRUTAL winters here.... At least in the Midwest.

But yes, there are multiple teleconnections like you said, so don't get hung up on a Pacific warm blob Tom


All in all the overall condition for the eastern US is a cold PDO leads to avg warmer winters than a warm PDO, but of course other factors like El Nino, La Nina, AO, etc. I'll bet in the case of neutral El Nino or La Nina a cold PDO leads to a milder winter for sure in the Southeast, and that in turn tends to mean milder for the Mid-Atlantic. I'm not sure about the Midwest, but your winters are too cold even when they are mild lol.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Also, a cold PDO tends to prevent that huge ridge forming over the PNW for days on end. Even our local meteo's always take note of the fact that when we are very cold, it is very typical for the PNW to be warm. I think in a cold PDO it isn't so easy for them to get very warm. I'd be happy with that.
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