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Old 06-13-2016, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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this place is way colder than here and we barely have palm trees. Looks more like a highland subtropical / mediterranean climate.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: In transition
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From what I remember of winter and summer in the Snowy Mountains, flora and fauna were very summer orientated. No flocks of chattering kookaburras or screeching galahs in winter.

Snow gums show some snow adaptation feature with particularly supple branches that allow sow to slide off. They are spring and summer flowering, and while not having dormancy, can handle periods of no growth from both cold and drought. I remember that there were unique flowering herb species that showed the effect of change due to glacial periods.

Deciduous trees aren't incompatible with subtropical environments if there are enough other subtropical aspects to the flora and fauna imo.
I find it amazing that a subtropical genus of trees like Eucalyptus was able to evolve some cold adaptations at least with a few of the species. I'm sure snow gums would even be hardy enough for winter's here but I never see them. It's a shame because eucalyptus trees in general I find quite attractive
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: New York
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What are the native broadleaf evergreens in your area?
Arundinaria gigantea
Ilex opaca
Ilex glabra
Leucothoe fontanesiana
Magnolia virginiana (semi-evergreen)
Rhododendron maximum

Off the top of my head, there's likely more.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Arundinaria gigantea
Ilex opaca
Ilex glabra
Leucothoe fontanesiana
Magnolia virginiana (semi-evergreen)
Rhododendron maximum

Off the top of my head, there's likely more.
Kalmia latifola (mountain laurel) is evergreen and eventually forms big clusters of groves and get quite tall. Saw loads of them blooming this past weekend in the NJ Pine Barrens.
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:10 AM
 
Location: In transition
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Arundinaria gigantea
Ilex opaca
Ilex glabra
Leucothoe fontanesiana
Magnolia virginiana (semi-evergreen)
Rhododendron maximum

Off the top of my head, there's likely more.
Cool well it makes sense as NYC and Philly have a long growing season without any threat of frosts. I still find it incredible that eucalyptus can grow in such a low temperature environment like Thredbo
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Old 06-13-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I find it amazing that a subtropical genus of trees like Eucalyptus was able to evolve some cold adaptations at least with a few of the species. I'm sure snow gums would even be hardy enough for winter's here but I never see them. It's a shame because eucalyptus trees in general I find quite attractive
NZ has a few tropical species that have evolved to living in snowy climates, that look more out of place than snow gums. Species like mountain Neinei (Dracophyllum), Lancewoods (Pseudopanax) and other grass tree species look very Doctor Seuss. I will make a point of getting photos this year, although it will be a bit more of a mission now, as the only road to the edge of the backcountry here has closed again due to slips.

I'm a fan of Eucalyptus as well - here's a photo of some along our driveway, with one just starting to flower in the background.
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Old 06-13-2016, 11:44 AM
 
Location: In transition
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NZ has a few tropical species that have evolved to living in snowy climates, that look more out of place than snow gums. Species like mountain Neinei (Dracophyllum), Lancewoods (Pseudopanax) and other grass tree species look very Doctor Seuss. I will make a point of getting photos this year, although it will be a bit more of a mission now, as the only road to the edge of the backcountry here has closed again due to slips.

I'm a fan of Eucalyptus as well - here's a photo of some along our driveway, with one just starting to flower in the background.
Cool do you think those tropical NZ mountain species could survive Vancouver's climate?
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Cool do you think those tropical NZ mountain species could survive Vancouver's climate?
I don't think mountain Neinei would. There is a mountain and several lowland species, and the mountain Neinei struggle in heat, while the lowland ones aren't very hardy.

Lancewood might be a possibility, as the ones in the mountains look the same as lowland ones.

Here's a link showing a mountain Neinei. Could have, been a better picture, as they spend months in the snow and cover large areas, but it gives an idea of how they look.Mountain neinei – Shrubs and small trees of the forest – Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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I don't think mountain Neinei would. There is a mountain and several lowland species, and the mountain Neinei struggle in heat, while the lowland ones aren't very hardy.

Lancewood might be a possibility, as the ones in the mountains look the same as lowland ones.

Here's a link showing a mountain Neinei. Could have, been a better picture, as they spend months in the snow and cover large areas, but it gives an idea of how they look.Mountain neinei – Shrubs and small trees of the forest – Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
When you say Mountain Neinei struggle in heat, what type of heat are we talking about?
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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When you say Mountain Neinei struggle in heat, what type of heat are we talking about?
The heat we get on the coast here, which is cooler than your summer.
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