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For example, he said nearby locations, such as Las Vegas (and I would add Needles) were not warmer than average or approached their record high when Death Valley had its 134 degrees F reading.
As mentioned before, I have followed the summer temps at Death Valley since 1981 and it is a strange place. It can be very hot even when other desert areas are much cooler.
Here are two examples:
Date----------------- Maximum/minimum temperature
July 24, 2003
Death Valley--------- 122/103
Needles-------------- 101/86
Las Vegas------------ 103/87
July 12, 2012
Death Valley--------- 120/107
Needles-------------- 103/88
Las Vegas------------ 104/89
As can be seen, a big temperature difference between Death Valley and the other two locations. In fact, both Needles and Las Vegas were slightly above normal and Death Valley several degrees above normal.
I'm not trying to "win." I am posting facts which counter some inaccurate claims. BTW, yesterday, Death Valley was 127/101 degrees F. A correction for my last post: I meant to say both Needles and Las Vegas were slightly below average. Anyway, the figures I posted show that Death Valley can be well over 120 degrees while on the same day, Needles and Las Vegas are well under 110 degrees. Kind of blows the "nearby areas not above average so Death Valley can't be" claim out of the water!
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I'm not trying to "win." I am posting facts which counter some inaccurate claims. BTW, yesterday, Death Valley was 127/101 degrees F. A correction for my last post: I meant to say both Needles and Las Vegas were slightly below average. Anyway, the figures I posted show that Death Valley can be well over 120 degrees while on the same day, Needles and Las Vegas are well under 110 degrees. Kind of blows the "nearby areas not above average so Death Valley can't be" claim out of the water!
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Yes no doubt that is true. It does happen. It's happened here on multiple occasions this summer where one station is above average while many others are below do to local atmospheric conditions. However, why was only 1913 able to reach 130F and higher on three occasions at Death Valley, and never once since?? That alone has me suspicious. I used to believe the 134F record until I starting researching Death Valleys data. My own conclusion is that the thermometer was not calibrated correctly.
One can argue that there was a unique atmospheric set up that has yet to occur again.... Also, temps here have never been as hot here as they were in the Dust Bowl where North Dakota reached 121F. However, environmental conditions have changed in the Midwest (actually South Dakota hit 120F in 2006). There is no mega drought here as there was in the 30's which elevated day time temps to unheard of levels..... That cannot be said about Death Valley. It's the same now as it was 103 years ago yet it has failed to breach 130F.
Yes no doubt that is true. It does happen. It's happened here on multiple occasions this summer where one station is above average while many others are below do to local atmospheric conditions. However, why was only 1913 able to reach 130F and higher on three occasions at Death Valley, and never once since?? That alone has me suspicious. I used to believe the 134F record until I starting researching Death Valleys data. My own conclusion is that the thermometer was not calibrated correctly.
One can argue that there was a unique atmospheric set up that has yet to occur again.... Also, temps here have never been as hot here as they were in the Dust Bowl where North Dakota reached 121F. However, environmental conditions have changed in the Midwest (actually South Dakota hit 120F in 2006). There is no mega drought here as there was in the 30's which elevated day time temps to unheard of levels..... That cannot be said about Death Valley. It's the same now as it was 103 years ago yet it has failed to breach 130F.
Well, Chris Burt did concede that maybe the 130+ degrees F readings at Death Valley were a 500-year event. It is possible. And the records for that place only date back to 1911.
As for the thermometer, that instrument was invented long before 1913. It was first invented by Galileo in 1593 and in 1612, the inventor Santorio put a numerical scale. The first liquid-in-glass thermometer was introduced in 1654. Fahrenheit was invented in 1714 and an accurate thermometer/scale in 1724. (Celsius was invented in 1742.)
I think by 1913, thermometers were quite accurate, especially in developed countries.
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I used to believe the 134F record until I starting researching Death Valleys data. My own conclusion is that the thermometer was not calibrated correctly. 
