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Old 10-08-2016, 11:44 AM
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I remember Bernie sanders described open borders as "right-wing" and many liberals were confused

https://berniesanders.com/open-borde...ot-a-solution/

But he doesn't view social issues as important

 
Old 10-08-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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I will not translate that
This thread is literally the only Google result for that word.
 
Old 10-08-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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I remember Bernie sanders described open borders as "right-wing" and many liberals were confused

https://berniesanders.com/open-borde...ot-a-solution/

But he doesn't view social issues as important
Funny. You won't get many people here describing open borders as a right-wing idea, though I can certainly see the rationale behind it with regards to cheap labour.
 
Old 10-08-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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This thread is literally the only Google result for that word.
Because it's a mixture of three words but I am not going to translate any of them except 'ö' which means both the umlaut letter and 'island' in Swedish
 
Old 10-08-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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Well, let me give you an example.

Richmond-upon-Thames is a London borough - highly educated, affluent and tends to vote Conservative. However, this same area voted to remain in the EU very strongly. It is 'liberal right'. People in this area will be economically centrist/centre-right, but socially liberal - they are fine with immigration, gay marriage etc.

Compare that to some areas of rural England that vote Conservative and voted to leave the EU very strongly. These areas are conservative right. They don't like immigration, and are less progressive socially. They place more emphasis on traditional values. They will accuse people in Richmond of being 'snobby elites' (even though most of them are just middle-class people who work for a living like everyone else).

The two people might vote for the same party but they have very little or nothing in common. They have totally different priorities and ideas. That kind of reflects the Tory party in general - it is very divided. Half of the party wanted to leave the EU an the other half wanted to remain. David Cameron was part of the 'liberal right'.
70 % of the Tory electorate voted out, and formed a strong alliance with the 2015 UKIP voters outside of Greater London. However, the outer London borough Bexley and many outlying areas of the London urban area such as Dartford voted resoundly to leave.

I've heard only 30 % of Labour voters voted leave, but looking at a place like Barnsley for example let's say that around 50 % are Labour and around 90 % of the rest are anti-EU Tories/UKIP voters. Then it only takes about half of the Labour voters at the location to get a landslide majority. They are still a pretty sizeable number though, and I'd suggest many of those voters will be attracted by the Tories with regards to the next election. But in your seat there would be no need for a so-called progressive alliance. Labour always wins Leeds. But winning back Morley & Outwood with Corbyn as leader? No way
 
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70 % of the Tory electorate voted out, and formed a strong alliance with the 2015 UKIP voters outside of Greater London. However, the outer London borough Bexley and many outlying areas of the London urban area such as Dartford voted resoundly to leave.

I've heard only 30 % of Labour voters voted leave, but looking at a place like Barnsley for example let's say that around 50 % are Labour and around 90 % of the rest are anti-EU Tories/UKIP voters. Then it only takes about half of the Labour voters at the location to get a landslide majority. They are still a pretty sizeable number though, and I'd suggest many of those voters will be attracted by the Tories with regards to the next election. But in your seat there would be no need for a so-called progressive alliance. Labour always wins Leeds. But winning back Morley & Outwood with Corbyn as leader? No way
58% of Tory voters backed Leave. Obviously that figure will be higher if you exclude London. There are Tory-voting areas outside of London that backed Remain too though - such as Surrey, Oxfordshire, Hampshire, Trafford in Manchester and Harrogate near Leeds. Pretty much a load of rich areas.

Yes, quite a few Labour voters backed Leave - but this was never in doubt. A lot of Labour voters are working class and live in deprived former mining towns that have poor economies and high unemployment.

The Tories used to do rather well in Leeds. In the 2000s, the city was run by a Tory-Lib Dem coalition. Labour though are very dominant in the city again. People here are pissed with them. Pretty much all major English cities have moved away from the Tories - they just have very little appeal to voters here.
 
Old 10-08-2016, 02:00 PM
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It's impressive how the referendum vote didn't follow party lines. 30-40% is a big crossover.
 
Old 10-08-2016, 02:05 PM
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Funny. You won't get many people here describing open borders as a right-wing idea, though I can certainly see the rationale behind it with regards to cheap labour.
It's not too common here either; Bernie sanders is a bit unusual. But immigration wasn't much of a left/right issue in the us until 10-15 years ago. Where does this fall under... nationalism + pro-immigration ?

https://twitter.com/dlin71/status/750151632927748096
 
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:10 PM
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Well, let me give you an example.

Richmond-upon-Thames is a London borough - highly educated, affluent and tends to vote Conservative. However, this same area voted to remain in the EU very strongly. It is 'liberal right'. People in this area will be economically centrist/centre-right, but socially liberal - they are fine with immigration, gay marriage etc.

Compare that to some areas of rural England that vote Conservative and voted to leave the EU very strongly. These areas are conservative right. They don't like immigration, and are less progressive socially. They place more emphasis on traditional values. They will accuse people in Richmond of being 'snobby elites' (even though most of them are just middle-class people who work for a living like everyone else).

The two people might vote for the same party but they have very little or nothing in common. They have totally different priorities and ideas. That kind of reflects the Tory party in general - it is very divided. Half of the party wanted to leave the EU an the other half wanted to remain. David Cameron was part of the 'liberal right'.
Richmond and Twickenham used to always vote Lib Dem, until the party committed suicide by going into a coalition with the tories.
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