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View Poll Results: Do you think oceanic climates should have snow cover?
Yes 17 47.22%
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Lomgyearbyen.
Not oceanic: mean temperature in January -16.5°C.

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Esperanza base
Not oceanic: mean temperature in July -10.8°C.

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Nuuk
Not oceanic: mean temperature in January -7.4°C. And it's even colder in February and March.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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That's dumb.

How come longhearbyen doesn't have -40C winters like a normal location at 78N would? Because it's moderated by the ocean.

Why does Jan Mayen have -6C winters at 71N if not because if he ocean?


Why does Villa Las Estrellas have just a 5C seasonal range at 62S if not because of the ocean?
Of course the ocean has some influence. But what's the dominant influence? Please find me an ocean whose liquid water temperature is -16.5°C.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Not oceanic: mean temperature in January -16.5°C.


Not oceanic: mean temperature in July -10.8°C.


Not oceanic: mean temperature in January -7.4°C. And it's even colder in February and March.
How does mean annual or the mean monthly temperature alone discount that it's oceanic?


At it's most basic, all oceanic means is having moderated seasons, AKA a lack of continentality. Nowhere does it mean or say that below freezing temps shouldn't happen or that it absolutely should not have cold or snowy winters. You completely discounted all of what Steelernation said pretty much just to say "nope"
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Took the words out of my mouth. I don't understand the notion that oceanic climates have to absolutely lack cold and snow.


Just looking at the difference between Eureka, Canada and Longyearbyen it's very obvious to see the oceanic influence.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka,_Nunavut

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longyearbyen#Climate



It's very simple. An oceanic climate with cold and snowy winters will have chill/cold summers, while a continental climate will have warm or hot summers. I don't really get the confusion.
Yes, there's some influence but what's the dominant influence? It's not the ocean.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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Of course the ocean has some influence. But what's the dominant influence? Please find me an ocean whose liquid water temperature is -16.5°C.
Please show me the continental influence for Longyearbyen. It has absolutely zero continentality.


Please show me a continental climate at 78 N (or S) that has annual range of only 20 C.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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How does mean annual or the mean monthly temperature alone discount that it's oceanic?
Because it indicates something other than the ocean is winning the war. In this case Köppen got it right.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:54 PM
 
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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Vostok average -27C/-37C in January and -63.9C/-71.5C in August,so they have an difference in high temperatures of 37C from the warmest month/coldest month.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Because it indicates something other than the ocean is winning the war. In this case Köppen got it right.
It is simply high latitude that's winning the war. Of course a climate at 78 N, no matter how moderated by the ocean, will still have cold and snowy winters.


Just the fact alone that Longyearbyen has an annual range literally half of what Eureka experiences speaks enormous amounts.
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Old 12-19-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Please show me the continental influence for Longyearbyen. It has absolutely zero continentality.


Please show me a continental climate at 78 N (or S) that has annual range of only 20 C.
Longyearbyen annual range is actually 22°C--same as Boston.

But that's not the point. Longyearbyen is under arctic air most of the time. It's the beneficiary of some warming courtesy of the gulf stream but it's still arctic.
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Old 12-19-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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For being at 78N, lomgyearbyen is obviously not gonna have 0C winters. The fact that its coldest month is only -17C compared to -37C in Eureka and the annual range is 20C less shows how the ocean is having close to the greatest affect possible at that latitude and are clearly creating a much different climate than a non oceanic climate at a similar latitude.

Harbin, 33 degrees farther south has colder winters than longyearbyen. Talk about some serious oceanic moderation there.
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