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Old 05-02-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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Okay, try Timaru then. 546mm on 75 days>1mm. , quite low sunshine and a generally chilly climate. Also has sunnier winters than summers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timaru#Climate
good find Joe - Timaru looks very much like it
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: United Nations
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Has this climate the coldest January highs ever for any climate that has average highs above 40 °C in July?

Qom, Iran
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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Has this climate the coldest January highs ever for any climate that has average highs above 40 °C in July?

Qom, Iran
Doubt it, Turpan has average highs of 39.6C in July (1971-2000) and -2.3C highs in January.

If Turpan is not above 40C in July for 81-10 then somewhere near it will be with much colder winters than Qom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan#Climate
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Doubt it, Turpan has average highs of 39.6C in July (1971-2000) and -2.3C highs in January.

If Turpan is not above 40C in July for 81-10 then somewhere near it will be with much colder winters than Qom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan#Climate
I know Turpan, it's very famous

What is it then?

EDIT: It's Turpan
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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I know Turpan, it's very famous

What is it then?

EDIT: It's Turpan
Heh, it never occurred to me to look up the data in Chinese

Oddly, Turpan isn't as exceptional as it looks. It's not the driest city in the world, doesn't have the biggest temperature range, etc. It probably has the biggest warm up between Jan and Feb though.

Plus the record high for December is lower than the average high in November Even Oymyakon doesn't have that.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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Heh, it never occurred to me to look up the data in Chinese

Oddly, Turpan isn't as exceptional as it looks. It's not the driest city in the world, doesn't have the biggest temperature range, etc. It probably has the biggest warm up between Jan and Feb though.

Plus the record high for December is lower than the average high in November Even Oymyakon doesn't have that.
Maybe Turpan goes from about 15 °C at the beginning of November to about 5 °C at the end. Turpan is special because it has the coldest average highs in January for a city that averages highs above 40 °C (or 39 °C in the English version) in July. No other city comes even close to that.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Maybe Turpan goes from about 15 °C at the beginning of November to about 5 °C at the end. Turpan is special because it has the coldest average highs in January for a city that averages highs above 40 °C (or 39 °C in the English version) in July. No other city comes even close to that.
Sure, but considering how odd that climate table looks you'd think it would hold all sorts of records.

A few others that might not have been mentioned:

November warmer than June even above Tropic of Cancer = San Nicolas Island, California

Only city with annual average high above 100F (or is it the only place?) = Mecca

There are plenty of other places which we've done on here that I can't quite remember, maybe others can help out:

Northernmost place never to have seen an ice day = Ushant?

Lowest-latitude place at sea level to have sub-freezing mean in coldest month = somewhere in southern China

Place with 0.1 days of average snowfall in a month with warmest average high = somewhere in Montana in September with something like an 80F average high

January sunnier than July even pretty high up in the Northern Hemisphere = somewhere in East Asia/far eastern Russia?

Biggest sunshine difference between sunniest/gloomiest months in % terms = somewhere in southern Russia

Sunniest gloomiest month = can't remember where this one was, think the number was something like 289 hours in their gloomiest month though

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Old 05-03-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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Here are November and December 2016 and January and February 2017, in case you are interested.

November 2016:

1: 14/5 Sunny
2: 15/4 Sunny
3: 15/5 Sunny
4: 14/4 Sunny
5: 13/7 Rain
6: 15/6 Sunny
7: 12/4 Sunny
8: 13/3 Sunny
9: 14/3 Sunny
10: 13/3 Sunny
11: NO DATA
12: 12/3 Sunny
13: 12/4 Sunny
14: 13/4 Sunny
15: 13/5 Sunny
16: 11/3 Sunny
17: 9/2 Sunny
18: 10/2 Sunny
19: 4/-2 Sunny
20: 4/-3 Sunny
21: 5/-2 Sunny
22: 3/-3 Sunny
23: 4/-2 Sunny
24: 2/-3 Sunny
25: 4/-4 Sunny
26: 3/-6 Sunny
27: 4/-2 Sunny
28: 7/-1 Sunny
29: 5/-3 Sunny
30: 3/-4 Sunny

As you can see, something uncommon happens in Turpan, at the end of November there is a regular decrease in temperature without returning to higher values, unlike common continental climates. That explains the fact that the December record high is lower than November's average high.

December 2016:

1: 3/-5 Sunny
2: 3/-5 Sunny
3: 3/-4 Sunny
4: 2/-4 Sunny
5: 3/-4 Sunny
6: 2/-4 Sunny
7: 1/-5 Sunny
8: 2/-4 Sunny
9: 3/-4 Sunny
10: 3/-3 Sunny
11: 5/-3 Sunny
12: 6/0 Sunny
13: 6/2 Sunny
14: 4/-1 Sunny
15: 4/0 Sunny
16: 5/-2 Sunny
17: 2/-4 Sunny
18: 2/-5 Sunny
19: 1/-5 Sunny
20: 6/-2 Sunny
21: 4/-3 Sunny
22: 1/-5 Sunny
23: 3/-4 Sunny
24: 3/-4 Sunny
25: 3/-3 Sunny
26: -1/-6 Sunny
27: 0/-6 Sunny
28: -1/-6 Sunny
29: -1/-7 Sunny
30: NO DATA
31: NO DATA

January 2017:

1: -2/-7 Sunny
2: -2/-9 Sunny
3: -1/-6 Snow
4: -1/-7 Sunny
5: -1/-8 Sunny
6: 0/-7 Sunny
7: -1/-8 Sunny
8: -1/-8 Sunny
9: -2/-8 Sunny
10: -2/-9 Sunny
11: -1/-7 Sunny
12: 0/-5 Snow
13: 0/-6 Snow
14: 0/-6 Snow
15: 0/-8 Sunny
16: -2/-9 Sunny
17: -2/-8 Sunny
18: -4/-10 Sunny
19: -1/-8 Sunny
20: -3/-9 Sunny
21: -2/-10 Sunny
22: -2/-10 Sunny
23: -1/-9 Sunny
24: -2/-8 Sunny
25: 5/-5 Sunny
26: 4/-4 Sunny
27: 2/-4 Sunny
28: 3/-4 Sunny
29: 2/-5 Sunny
30: 4/-5 Sunny
31: 4/-3 Sunny

February 2017:

1: 5/-2 Sunny
2: 6/-2 Sunny
3: 5/-4 Sunny
4: 5/-1 Sunny
5: 5/0 Sunny
6: 8/0 Sunny
7: 6/-2 Sunny
8: 7/-2 Sunny
9: 7/-3 Sunny
10: 7/-2 Sunny
11: 7/-3 Sunny
12: 9/0 Sunny
13: 8/0 Sunny
14: 10/0 Sunny
15: 9/1 Sunny
16: 10/1 Sunny
17: 11/0 Sunny
18: 10/0 Sunny
19: 10/3 Sunny
20: 11/5 Rain
21: 10/1 Sunny
22: 10/-1 Sunny
23: 11/0 Sunny
24: 13/2 Sunny
25: 14/3 Sunny
26: 15/3 Sunny
27: 14/5 Sunny
28: 16/3 Sunny
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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Turpan is a total outlier by mixing up both an annual average of ~15ºC and an annual range of ~40ºC.
It makes it truly exceptional, one of the most unique climates on Earth. Places that continental are usually much colder, and places with such averages have usually much lesser ranges.

PS: Why does the opener just use the average highs? Daily averages constitute the basis for climate characterization. Average highs and lows are rather complements, and using them by their own can lead to misleading conclusions.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:55 AM
 
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Turpan is a total outlier by mixing up both an annual average of ~15ºC and an annual range of ~40ºC.
It makes it truly exceptional, one of the most unique climates on Earth. Places that continental are usually much colder, and places with such averages have usually much lesser ranges.

PS: Why does the opener just use the average highs? Daily averages constitute the basis for climate characterization. Average highs and lows are rather complements, and using them by their own can lead to misleading conclusions.
Those were just examples, I used the average lows on two occasions. I like considering average highs because that's the time of the day when most people are outside.
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