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Old 06-03-2023, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Agreed on all these. However:

Athens' closest climate equivalent is San Bernardino, not Los Angeles. Los Angeles has a milder climate than Athens.

Berlin doesn't have a lot of good climate equivalents within the U.S. There are some places in Appalachia that come close, but only at high elevations. Which I feel is comparing apples to oranges because Berlin is near sea level.

Bern has a very similar climate to Boone, North Carolina. Providence has hotter summers.

Geneva has colder winters than Eugene. There are some mountain towns east of Portland, like Hood River, that are sort of similar, though it has a very dry summer.

Helsinki is quite a bit warmer than Anchorage. Within the U.S., the closest match is Eastport, Maine.

Moscow is much colder than Chicago. IMO the city with the most similar climate to Moscow is Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, though some towns in northern New England and New York might come a little closer.

Munich has much cooler summers than Boston. It kinda sorta reminds me of Moscow, Idaho, but you'd have to overlook the dry summers with high diurnal ranges.

Zermatt is pretty close to Aspen in terms of precipitation and winter temps, but it's cooler in the summer. Crater Lake, Oregon is a pretty close match in terms of temperatures with the caveat that it is much wetter, especially in winter. Overall, I couldn't find a lot of great matches.
What I found was that there is no European equivalent for places south of a line around New York City-Pittsburgh. Places south of that line get longer/hotter summers than continental Europe. Also, there is no US equivalent of climates like Sweden or Finland.
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Old 06-03-2023, 02:13 PM
 
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I think it's more interesting to compare how many places between the US and Europe that DONT have any close climate / vegetation relation. When we were over in Europe on a trip, a lot of people mentioned they want to see Florida because it's different. Well it's not just Florida, I'd wager half the land area of US is substantially different, from Florida diagonally up to Montana, down to AZ.

There is no European Colorado; climatically, vegetation wise, topographically speaking the Alps and the Carpathians just are completely different. The Urals look more like the Rockies than any of the other ones. There's nothing like Eastern CO either, Ukraine is different. You could say the same for Mississippi, is there anything remotely close in Europe?
You have to get to the Caucasus region to find regions with the same climate as the intermountain west. Nowhere in Europe really has the climate and environment of the Plains, either - the Pampas are closer to the southern plains and then parts of Central Asia are probably the most similar to the Northern Plains.

Mississippi isn’t similar to anywhere in Europe - it’s more truly subtropical than much on the continent, it’s most similar to Eastern or Southeastern Asia
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Old 06-03-2023, 02:55 PM
 
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Europe also has BSk and BWk climates in western Russia similar to the Great Plains and some intermountain deserts
Overall, much colder and less hot. The best comparison would be the Caucasus region and parts of Central Asia, rather than Russia.

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The southern limit of European climates east of the Rockies starts roughly from Virginia Beach, then runs west-northwest through Virginia until just a bit east of the Appalachian mountains. It then follows the range down to its end and then takes a sharp turn north through Tennessee, then west through Kentucky and Missouri. It moves a little south again around Oklahoma and north Texas
Oklahoma and North Texas, not quite. They’re much hotter than almost anywhere in Europe, and are better reflected in parts of North Africa or places deeper into Asia.

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before finally meeting the Rockies at their roughly halfway point in New Mexico
Nowhere in Europe really has a climate like that of New Mexico, aside from places in Turkey, maybe.

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That does indeed most of the Deep South with no climatic analogues in Europe. In the southwest, the Colorado Plateau and the Great Basin could match some parts of Russia near the Caspian Sea
No, nowhere in Russia. Russia is too cold.

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I'd probably say the southeast is more like southern Japan, since rain is relatively stable year round (all cities are Cfa)
Temperatures are somewhat closer to Eastern and Southern China, though.

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China dries out considerably, even dramatically (some cities are Cwa), in the winter. During a dry summer, the gulf coast could have very similar conditions to the eastern Mediterranean region.
Precipitation-wise?
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Old 06-04-2023, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Here are some comparisons,

London = Seattle Washington

Dublin = Newport Oregon

Berlin = Pullman Washington

Vienna = Boston MA

Warsaw = Portland Maine

Moscow = Green Bay Wisconsin
Why are summers so cool in Newport? It is on a similar latitude to Spain
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Old 06-04-2023, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Centre Wellington, ON
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Why are summers so cool in Newport? It is on a similar latitude to Spain
California current


It's a big part of the reason why San Francisco summers are just as cool as those of Fairbanks, AK.
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Old 06-04-2023, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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California current


It's a big part of the reason why San Francisco summers are just as cool as those of Fairbanks, AK.
Never knew that, thanks. I always wondered why the sea temperatures in southern California were so cool
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Old 06-05-2023, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Never knew that, thanks. I always wondered why the sea temperatures in southern California were so cool
Yep it’s caused by upwelling from bellow when the current hits the continent, there is a similar current off the coast of Morocco.
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Old 06-05-2023, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Yep it’s caused by upwelling from bellow when the current hits the continent, there is a similar current off the coast of Morocco.
Ah that makes sense. I always wondered why Morocco is relatively cool in summer for it's location especially when you look further North to Spain. Morocco seems quite similar to Southern California
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Old 06-06-2023, 07:31 AM
 
Location: East Coast USA
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Ah that makes sense. I always wondered why Morocco is relatively cool in summer for it's location especially when you look further North to Spain. Morocco seems quite similar to Southern California
It is interesting to think that the ocean can modify the climate.

The summer weather here in the states seems to show a strong impact from sea surface temps in summer. On the West Coast/CA the ocean is cool to cold (wetsuits are a must), the water current is from Alaska, and any wind off the ocean brings cool weather and often overcast stratus clouds. On the other hand, on the East Coast, the ocean water is warm to even hot (sometimes off Florida as high as 85 F/29 C), the current comes out of the tropics, and any wind off the ocean is humid and sultry.

Here is this mornings SST chart from NOAA, you can see that for any latitude the difference between our West Coast SST temps and our East Coast SST temps.



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