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I heard a little a bit about this on the radio the other night...a very nasal person was commenting...mentioning Sara Palin and conservatives in the patrotic mold who are champions of liberty and perserving our Constitution.
Anything going on with this movement in West Virginia?
Anybody know the organizers?
I would like to get involved as soon as posssible...sounded like the Independants and Conservatives were absorbing the real Americans out of the Demo's and Repubs.
I don't define myself as anything other than independent, but if the conservative party was more aligned with say, William F. Buckley types then I'd consider going back. But as it stands, with what they've aligned themselves with (or maligned themselves with), I'll pass.
I don't think the independent conservatives (at least the ones I know, and there are quite a few) are really enamored by the Palin experiment, truthfully.
Here's hoping for a real third party with no alignment other than to serve the people, not themselves.
Here's hoping for a real third party with no alignment other than to serve the people, not themselves.
The Libertarian party is the most viable alternative right now. Repubs and Dems are working overtime to insure they are synonymous with "fringe" and "conspiracy theorists". Not the case at all. Bottom line is limited government intervention. Even though Ron Paul is republican, his voting record is pure Libertarian.
The Libertarian party is the most viable alternative right now. Repubs and Dems are working overtime to insure they are synonymous with "fringe" and "conspiracy theorists". Not the case at all. Bottom line is limited government intervention. Even though Ron Paul is republican, his voting record is pure Libertarian.
I was just reading the definition of Libertarians.
Libertarian socialists—the first political activists to adopt the term libertarian in the mid-19th century—are usually anarchists or left communists, opposed to arbitrary structures of authority and hierarchy in personal relations and the larger social order.[
Exactly what kind of Libertarians are you referring to? It seems to be very confusing.
I was just reading the definition of Libertarians.
Libertarian socialists—the first political activists to adopt the term libertarian in the mid-19th century—are usually anarchists or left communists, opposed to arbitrary structures of authority and hierarchy in personal relations and the larger social order.[
Exactly what kind of Libertarians are you referring to? It seems to be very confusing.
A thumbnail definition: In the U.S., the Libertarian Party denotes a belief that the powers of government should be very strictly limited, e.g. to foreign affairs, national defense, law enforcement, etc. Libertarians believe that government has no business providing health care, old-age pensions, managing the economy, etc., etc. Libertarians, unlike anarchists, believe in the rule of law, but they are very much against the legislation of morality. Libertarians support drug legalization, for example, on the theory that people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't injure anyone else. But they have no problem with laws against murder, robbery, rape, etc.
As a real independent, the only thing worse than the two party system we have today are the crackpot "libertarians" that think some sort of bizarre pie-in-the sky, Ayn Rand-esque objectivist society is an improvement. I'll take status-quo over crazy, thanks.
I don't define myself as anything other than independent, but if the conservative party was more aligned with say, William F. Buckley types then I'd consider going back. But as it stands, with what they've aligned themselves with (or maligned themselves with), I'll pass.
I don't think the independent conservatives (at least the ones I know, and there are quite a few) are really enamored by the Palin experiment, truthfully.
Here's hoping for a real third party with no alignment other than to serve the people, not themselves.
This is an outstanding post. The fascist moderators will not, however, allow me to grant more than 1 positive feedback per day. I really came to the West Virginia section of this forum to ask other questions (and I will), but here I will ask only why it is that Byrd and Rockefeller keep getting reelected by the people of the state.
As a real independent, the only thing worse than the two party system we have today are the crackpot "libertarians" that think some sort of bizarre pie-in-the sky, Ayn Rand-esque objectivist society is an improvement. I'll take status-quo over crazy, thanks.
Exactly what do you find crazy about less government?
Let's see: Limited government and more personal freedom. Yeeahhhh, I see how that's bad... 'Cause the government is doing so well with everything they're taking over / meddling with, I can see how an otherwise lucid individual such as yourself might see the merit in keeping the big government "status quo"
You must be stoned to think what we have now is A) sustainable and B) Constitutional.
Exactly what do you find crazy about less government?
Let's see: Limited government and more personal freedom. Yeeahhhh, I see how that's bad... 'Cause the government is doing so well with everything they're taking over / meddling with, I can see how an otherwise lucid individual such as yourself might see the merit in keeping the big government "status quo"
You must be stoned to think what we have now is A) sustainable and B) Constitutional.
And the society these other crazies envision would essentially lead to a plutocracy. You think the gov't is bad? Ha.
Economic power should never be consolidated or be allowed to consolidate. And allowing capitalists to have carte blanche on using their economic leverage to control people would wind up being the end game of objectivism. These people are essentially begging to switch out big brother for big CEO. This just puts a new face on the problem.
And the society these other crazies envision would essentially lead to a plutocracy. You think the gov't is bad? Ha.
Economic power should never be consolidated or be allowed to consolidate. And allowing capitalists to have carte blanche on using their economic leverage to control people would wind up being the end game of objectivism. These people are essentially begging to switch out big brother for big CEO. This just puts a new face on the problem.
Seems to me that you might be willing to trade one bad guy — President Zero — for another who wants to punish success and hard work (assuming big CEO wouldn't). Maybe the the goal in your utopia would be to limit wealth and income, or, perhaps, in distributing it using some other set of guidelines. The result being a parade of characters like those found in Pleasantville.
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