People who thrive on slacking off most of the time in the office (jobs, companies)
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A guy fell on the job the other day falling down stairs taking in a hospital bed to a client. You should have heard the women in the place talking about it. They didn't want to find the paper work to fill out for a accident report(they think it was faked and this guy wants to have time off). Yet-one of these same women when the owner leaves-goes into the warehouse to practice her tap dancing(she's all of 23). I've never seen such a place in my life. No work ethics and backstabbers to the max. I mind my own business, eat in my car at lunch and don't talk to them unless to ask a work related question.
I can't imagine what fake goals are comprised of. What kind of job titles to these folk hold and does anyone have a clue about income?
Over $60K a year. Few real job duties and most large corporations have these people.
I've seen middle managers do little more than sit in their offices reading magazines or internet surfing - they "delegate" or are unaware of what goes on "out there". They show up at meetings.
Internet surfing is a huge problem in the workplace today - companies are spending all kinds of money figuring out how to limit it - because the bosses don't even know the employ has multiple windows open and clicks to a work related one only when they hear footsteps or a knock on their door.
This woman where I work spends literally hours just shopping on-line - and pulls in a nice paycheck. If they ever decided to monitor her computer use, I'm not sure how she would explain it - but very likely she would come up with something. The high-paid slackers tend to be very clever.
Over $60K a year. Few real job duties and most large corporations have these people.
I've seen middle managers do little more than sit in their offices reading magazines or internet surfing - they "delegate" or are unaware of what goes on "out there". They show up at meetings.
Internet surfing is a huge problem in the workplace today - companies are spending all kinds of money figuring out how to limit it - because the bosses don't even know the employ has multiple windows open and clicks to a work related one only when they hear footsteps or a knock on their door.
This woman where I work spends literally hours just shopping on-line - and pulls in a nice paycheck. If they ever decided to monitor her computer use, I'm not sure how she would explain it - but very likely she would come up with something. The high-paid slackers tend to be very clever.
I don't know how these co's stay in business. Not only is there money flying out the window, but a lack of productivity. I suppose if it's a small percentage of employees, it wouldn't make that much of a difference. I can't imagine this type of stuff flying where I work, or in the sciences in general.
I was laid off from a company in 2006 that was family owned. Of course family members were working there. I was an outsider. The two sisters that worked there were always talking on the phone, planning vacations and leaving early everyday. Meanwhile, I'm bustin my butt being the most productive and staying until I was scheduled to leave.
Make a long story short, I'm the one who got laid off and now all of my work is on them. I wonder how much slacking is going on there now.
This woman where I work spends literally hours just shopping on-line - and pulls in a nice paycheck. If they ever decided to monitor her computer use, I'm not sure how she would explain it
Not a problem.
Today, a highspeed aircard can be hooked up to your own personal laptop. Just bring your laptop to work. Service is between about $45-$60 a month for about 5 gigs (or tether your 3G cell phone to your laptop). Surf at work on the company time using your own personal internet connection. You wouldn't be using the company PC - you'd be using your own itnernet connection. You could even go to Pirate Bay or look at porn.
Fake might not be the exact word but it is close. Maybe wishy washy subjective goals that don't have metrics or maybe the goals are to become trained in something.
At my last employer our goals had to be S.M.A.R.T, specific, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely, so my goal might be "by Dec 31, complete environmental stress screening on ten units". Maybe I acheived the goal, maybe I didn't but if I didn't I had a good explanation and even better, I had a plan of action to overcome the problem which lead to the failure to meet the goal. Maybe I incorporated a new process improvement which would result in 12 units completed, or implemented a new risk avoidance process to prevent the problem from happening next time.
They know how to bs very very well. Many corporations aren't all that well run - the workers keep things going and the slackers just go along for the ride.
That's why you can't really worry too much about these people - they exist, they know how to play the game, and the bosses will often cover for them. Of course in a very well run organization, they'd be out of luck - but they would just move into some other place.
Sometimes it's not what you know, it's who you know - if that's how you want to live.
The words of bitterness.
I am saying this as a young software developer that is probably going to switch jobs to a pretty lucrative position in the near future (just had my second interview on Friday).
I'd first remind you that "You're not worth what you deserve, you're worth what you negotiate". If you negotiated a bad bargain where people you deem as slackers are making more than you, this is your fault. If you are, in fact, so valuable, you should be able to negotiate higher pay. If you can't do this from you present organization you are welcome to take your value elsewhere.
Your other complaint regarding internet usage is dumb. I'm on the internet pretty constantly but guess what? I don't work in a factory and I don't have to pull x levers in an hour. At the end of the day I produce a deliverable, however many hours I spend cruising on Reddit really isn't my employers concern unless I'm slipping. I've been left to self manage for the most part though because I am apparently highly capable.
People in this thread don't seem to be upset because there are slackers in their workplace. They're upset because they're either getting the same compensation as the slackers or the slackers are getting more. This is a position that is within your power to change. You are more than welcome to leverage your value to a different firm if you are as valuable you think you are, or negotiate a raise in several different ways.
I mean, if you feel this individuals are slackers, I'd consider people that work harder when they either receive a meager raise or no raise at all and actually work harder as suckers. These people would be better off working at a level that they wouldn't be fired at their current job while making themselves more marketable in time outside the office. Most people don't respect individuals that get taken advantage of by management. Sometimes you need to grow a pair and show management you have some self respect.
There is no eternal force that makes sure the powers of good triumph over evil. Your fate is in your hands.
many hours I spend cruising on Reddit really isn't my employers concern unless I'm slipping. I've been left to self manage for the most part though because I am apparently highly capable.
Do you have a time card? How many hours do you put on it? Do you exclude the personal web surfing?
Who is paying for the internet service you are using?
Does your company have a policy that states something like "internet use is for company business related purposes only"?
Do you have a time card? How many hours do you put on it? Do you exclude the personal web surfing?
Who is paying for the internet service you are using?
Does your company have a policy that states something like "internet use is for company business related purposes only"?
I can't answer for FinkieMcGee, but many don't have any of those things (time card, hours, policies, etc). I don't, tho, I need to spend most of my time at work actually working. I wonder if there are differences in the tech world. Either way, X, Y, & Z has to be produced, end of story. Those can do it in no time have serious time mgt skills and are probably just good. There is a difference between that kind of situation (whether it's his or not, I don't know) and jobs that don't really produce anything.
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