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"When formulating policy, elected representatives need to consider the actual conditions in the U.S. labor market, rather than simply responding to pressure from employers in industries that wish to hire large numbers of foreign STEM graduates," the authors suggest. "While employers may find this situation desirable, it is difficult to argue this is the interest of American people as a whole."
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"The data indicate that the supply of STEM workers vastly exceeds the number of STEM jobs, and there has been only modest wage growth in these professions," they conclude. "This reality should inform and shape public policy moving forward."
yes exactly that means like most other countries americans need to stop going to college endlessly and instead learn a trade and yes maybe even take a job overseas with that new trade.
The answer is not to try to find pursue what one thinks is the most useful degree as much as it is to be a useful person.
There are tons of people out there with useful degrees that are below average performers. So pursue a worthwhile field, but most importantly, be good at it. Then, you'll be useful, not the degree.
I saw this yesterday and think the answer is somewhere in the middle of both sides. On one hand, I know several technical people who are underemployed or out-of-field, but these are for various reasons - unwillingness to relocate, bad behavior at prior jobs, etc. On the other hand, I know several engineers (not software engineers) in mechanical, civil, and electrical engineering, all of whom went to either state flagships or regional state schools, and all of whom have engineering jobs.
I think this is more of a tech problem than an engineering problem. Jobs in math and the pure sciences have been on the decline for a good while.
As always skill shortages are nearly always phony despite the obnoxious assertions of executives and their government stooges that Americans are too stupid and lazy for STEM fields. The simple fact is it is a desire to rip off highly inteligent American workers with crapo pay or substitute them with cheaper h1-b slaves. This exchange in which Sciencecareers Beryl Benderly asks Eli Lilly CEO John Lechlieter why he keeps claiming there is a shortage of scientists when big pharma laid off hundreds of thousands of them and he fumbles arround with double talk is a good illustration.
But the highlight of the event had to be ScienceCareers's Beryl Benderly asking John Lechleiter and John Castellani, "Um, why did you have all these layoffs in the past decade, if you guys need STEM workers like crazy?" Here is her summary of the event. She asked a tough question and got absolutely horrible answers. They boil down to "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying employment numbers?"
Companies are sick of the H1B1's. They are beginning to discover their cheap wages are not so cheap when you factor in their incredibly low productivity. I hate to say it, but if an Indian hasn't graduated from the Indian Institute of Technology, I pretty much disqualify them as a walking cost-bomb.
The answer is not to try to find pursue what one thinks is the most useful degree as much as it is to be a useful person.
There are tons of people out there with useful degrees that are below average performers. So pursue a worthwhile field, but most importantly, be good at it. Then, you'll be useful, not the degree.
This is just a great post, and an even better thought. Thanks for it!
The answer is not to try to find pursue what one thinks is the most useful degree as much as it is to be a useful person.
There are tons of people out there with useful degrees that are below average performers. So pursue a worthwhile field, but most importantly, be good at it. Then, you'll be useful, not the degree.
Exactly, I studied Software engineering, and electrical engineering for my own personal knowledge, not a job.
I saw this yesterday and think the answer is somewhere in the middle of both sides. On one hand, I know several technical people who are underemployed or out-of-field, but these are for various reasons - unwillingness to relocate, bad behavior at prior jobs, etc. On the other hand, I know several engineers (not software engineers) in mechanical, civil, and electrical engineering, all of whom went to either state flagships or regional state schools, and all of whom have engineering jobs.
I think this is more of a tech problem than an engineering problem. Jobs in math and the pure sciences have been on the decline for a good while.
As to relocation, it may not be as cut and dry as some people make it out to be...
As always skill shortages are nearly always phony despite the obnoxious assertions of executives and their government stooges that Americans are too stupid and lazy for STEM fields. The simple fact is it is a desire to rip off highly inteligent American workers with crapo pay or substitute them with cheaper h1-b slaves. This exchange in which Sciencecareers Beryl Benderly asks Eli Lilly CEO John Lechlieter why he keeps claiming there is a shortage of scientists when big pharma laid off hundreds of thousands of them and he fumbles arround with double talk is a good illustration.
Most of the Visa workers in my company get paid VERY well. They are a little cheaper during the first few years but this is done to offset cost of sponsorship. Also, labeling them as slaves is extreme.
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