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And I do but let's look at an employment method. If a job requires knowledge in say using software but yet you have experience by watching YouTube videos, it works but if I apply for the same job and show that I got A's in CIS 100 and 360, it blows the YouTube experience out of the water.
LOL.... I don't know man, I was a T.A. and tutor in the CIS department, years ago. I knew a whole lot of "no brain" people who did okay in there. I mean, if you can read and use your hands, you can get an A in CIS 100. You're reading a book and it's giving you step-by-step instructions. Some people do a whole lot better with videos on YouTube. Everyone's brain works differently. If you can find 5 different ways of doing something...in one place, it's a good thing.
That's why some people fail so miserably at certain subjects, ESPECIALLY math. Because of differences in the wiring of people's brains. If you're not fortunate enough to be one of the students who learn in the style he/she is using, and you can't find additional methods, you're screwed.
I was a failure at algebra in high school. I MADE them take me out, because I didn't get it. That failure made me feel so stupid.....like something was wrong with me!! Before algebra, every subject was no brainer stuff...nothing to make you think. I loved school! I got into that algebra class and after week 1, was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAT THE EFFFFFFFFFF!? My gawd, I'd been my father's "secretary/accountant" since the age of 12!!!
Over 20 years later, I finally decided to head to college. Oh.....yeah, I dropped out of HS in my jr year. I opened that book, before the term started, thinking that I was going to need a whole lot more help than the average person. OMG...on my own, just reading the directions and checking out a few examples in other books, I was LOVING it! Not only was I loving it, but I was getting it, REALLY getting it! Turns out, my brain processes things much differently than most others. The H.S. teacher was "teaching to most" and it made absolutely no sense to me.
YouTube can be a great way for someone to find someone who thinks the way YOU (anyone) do. That's why some of those people make the videos. They have a "unique" way of doing things, a way that's different than others.
No, he wasn't trying to scare you. He was just telling you the way things were back then. Since then, manufacturers purchased machines to replace those HS graduates/dropouts or are outsourcing business to other countries. You should be scared....because it's damn scary out there. He's right, you need to study hard.
And so many jobs that continue to go robotic.
Intel is the biggest employer where I live, yet I know someone who was in Accounts Payable and they laid her off in order to outsource that department to a foreign country. I really, really scratch my head over this one.
It is funny how many talk about factory jobs paying a living wage and now they are gone so there is no jobs, yet there are plenty of jobs in the oil fields of Pennsylvania, Texas, Oklahoma, Wyoming, North Dakota, Montana, Colorado, and Utah that are paying to fly people in from all over the country, and paying for them to have a place to live and food to eat while they work their 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off schedule. Those jobs also pay nearly 6 figures even for someone with no experience, and most of them could care less if you graduated high school.
The difference is these jobs are not in the cities, they are in the elements, and require hard labor, much like our parents/grandparents actually had to do to get started.
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You hit the nail on the head in that last line and isn't it sad? They'd rather collect welfare. Welfare has ruined us. We've lost our pride.
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If you can get those jobs. Not everyone is cut out for those jobs, physically or mentally. However, if someone wants it enough, they might get something.
I live in area that supposedly has all these jobs related to the Marcellus Shale gas drilling. There is drilling going on in my county and most of the counties near me in OH, and PA. Most of the workers are from out of state where the drilling has been going on for decades these guys travel around the country. All you see is Missouri, Texas, Louisiana, etc., license plates. The companies lie and say there is going to be all these entry level jobs just to try and make communities open to the invasion of out of state workers. There has hardly been any job openings in my area except for CDL drivers I will say that's probably one exception.
LOL.... I don't know man, I was a T.A. and tutor in the CIS department, years ago. I knew a whole lot of "no brain" people who did okay in there. I mean, if you can read and use your hands, you can get an A in CIS 100. You're reading a book and it's giving you step-by-step instructions. Some people do a whole lot better with videos on YouTube. Everyone's brain works differently. If you can find 5 different ways of doing something...in one place, it's a good thing.
I know but there were dumb people in the class I was in too. They couldn't do the simplest task in that course and likely only do work in class. Me, I would when it came to say access where I didn't have expansive knowledge on. All I did was trial and error based on the text book directions.
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YouTube can be a great way for someone to find someone who thinks the way YOU (anyone) do. That's why some of those people make the videos. They have a "unique" way of doing things, a way that's different than others.
I used these for Microsoft Project when I took project management. I would run the video side-by-side with what I was trying to do. Again if I kept screwing up I went back and did it again...
[quote=mkpunk;32287246]I know but there were dumb people in the class I was in too. They couldn't do the simplest task in that course and likely only do work in class. Me, I would when it came to say access where I didn't have expansive knowledge on. All I did was trial and error based on the text book directions.
I used these for Microsoft Project when I took project management. I would run the video side-by-side with what I was trying to do. Again if I kept screwing up I went back and did it again...[/quote]
Bingo! The people who had the most trouble with computer classes were those who simply didn't follow the instructions. The freakin' steps were in the books and yet they weren't actually reading the material and the biggest share of the "failures" were trying to shortcut their way through the assignments. Those same people seem to have a tendency to want to "shortcut" their way to success in everything. Ground work is for "other" people, who have nothing better to do with their time.
Homework? Who the heck has time for HOMEwork?....not people like that, I'll tell ya.
I swear, that's the way so many people in life are....especially the discontents. They don't want to take the time to follow "steps". This is why it's so scary out here! There are and always have been....shortcutters who are lazy, don't want to actually have to "work" for something, but somehow think they should ALL be in charge. They're too good for menial labor.
Hmmmm aside from the fact that the government taxes the sh*t out of businesses, is constantly monitoring many of those businesses...harrassing them with the EPA, FDA, DOE, IRS, L&I, OSHA, state and local government policies....upgrade this, improve that or we'll shut you down and fine you, this is outdated, that is outdated, .....OMG! Then you have all of these people walking through the door, filling out applications, too lazy or self absorbed to actually give a sh*t about the job they're doing, but they think they deserve more than minimum wage.
Sorry....more coffee. Stepping off my soapbox here.
Bingo! The people who had the most trouble with <whatever might be going on>
were those who simply didn't follow the instructions ... the biggest share of the "failures"
were trying to shortcut their way through <life>
I swear, that's the way so many people in life are....especially the discontents.
They don't want to take the time to follow "steps".
...but somehow think they should ALL be in charge. They're too good for menial labor.
Is it true that in the 60s you could get by with a high school degree?
No. There was less pressure than now but a degree was still a minimum requirement for entrance into many fields.
For many fields it was not.
Personal example: a relative, now retired, retired as an engineer specialist (that was his job title, he worked on steam systems) with an electric company. He started back in the 60's, and did not even graduate HS.
Now days, a company would never dream of hiring someone into that field without an engineering degree.
Look at admin assist positions now days, many are starting to require or prefer a degree; even ten years ago this was unheard of that a college degree would be a requirement for a basic admin assist job. I can see it in my own company; all the older admin types (all departments) do not have college degrees, all the younger, newer ones do. One of our department heads does not have a degree at all (started in this a long time ago), yet every single person under him does, and it is a requirement to even get hired.
No one in my family has a college degree and they all have made a comfortable lower-middle class life for themselves and their families. This is from the 1970s onwards.
Is it true that in the 60s you could get by with a high school degree?
This was true until the 80s in my little hometown. The main industry was chemical refineries - Dupont, Chevron, and more. My Dad ended a generation of true poverty by working at one of these chemical plants. He retired in his late 50s with a pension. We were never wealthy, but never ever went without anything we needed as kids. Up until the 80s, they would hire high school graduates and train them as process operators. Starting pay was around $50,000. In the 80s. Needless to say a lot of my family worked or is still working at a chemical plant. However now days the plants are getting bought out or sold off and there are no longer pensions and job security of the past. It's also harder to land those process operator type jobs, and I hear upper management at one of these plants is really out of touch with the actual workers now.
I applied for one of these jobs years ago while still in college. I was later told there were lots of people applying - even a pharmacist and someone with a PhD.
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Before algebra, every subject was no brainer stuff...nothing to make you think. I loved school! I got into that algebra class and after week 1, was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAT THE EFFFFFFFFFF!? My gawd, I'd been my father's "secretary/accountant" since the age of 12!!! 
