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Old 05-15-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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It's hard for people to fight for the opportunity to do something they desperately don't want to do
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Mt. Lebanon
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to be honest I see no reason why people hunt. why kill animals? we do have meat in the supermarkets
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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When did people lose the hunter mentality?
When their first UI check was deposited into their bank account. It'll come back when their last one has been spent.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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1) it really depends how we define "jobs". Those who are pointing at minimum wage jobs as a solution, should consider how people can make a living. And, that tax payers pays what employers don't. With 47M on food stamps, we cannot afford more. It's simply unsustainable.
2) If the US will not manage to create a true job environment for the young generation, it will collapse. America without real paying jobs will not exist. China for example, will exist with or without jobs. So does Russia. But America....
3) US governments policies created the crisis in the first place, with an immigration tsunami coupled with outsourcing and total decimation of the American industry. I don't know if the damage can be reversed.
Great post! Did you know China is working on building a railroad to the USA? I am wondering if they are planning to finally call in the USA's debts in the near future and take over ...

Chinese experts 'in discussions' over building high-speed Beijing-US railway | World news | The Guardian

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'China-Russia-Canada-America line' would run for 13,000km across Siberia and pass under Bering Strait through 200km tunnel

The proposed US rail line would take two days, with the train travelling at an average of 350km/h.

China is considering plans to build a high-speed railway line to the US, the country's official media reported on Thursday.

The proposed line would begin in north-east China and run up through Siberia, pass through a tunnel underneath the Pacific Ocean then cut through Alaska and Canada to reach the continental US, according to a report in the state-run Beijing Times newspaper.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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We now have perma uib
So unemployment has become non child based welfare like French chomage
Why don't you take a glance at the news every now and then?

"Perma UIB?"

Extended unemployment benefits have been stalled in the Senate and now the House for over five months! And it looks like the prospect of it passing is slim to none.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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to be honest I see no reason why people hunt. why kill animals? we do have meat in the supermarkets
Hah, nice. It is more of the metaphoric hunt than an actual one.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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What happens to all the unemployed in this country if things remain the same? Presently the U.S. has a social welfare system that is more or less providing a safety net, "minimal necessities of life," although more and more those who had jobs and a pay check are now pushing a shopping cart and living under a bridge somewhere. This free ride can't last. They are existing day to day. If history is a guide, some "ism" will attract these people, and there are a lot of them, and cause unrest.

Presently the federal government, which has a substantial cash flow, is both developing and increasing entitlements to win favor of the electorate and hide the stagnating of the economy which will eventually lead to unfunded entitlements and unrest.

Eventually, the US will be a country of haves and have nots. There will be less upward mobility into better paying jobs. Of course this is the situation today but in the future it will be very visible and lead to unrest.

Since the above is a national problem, (what an understatement!), only the federal government has the resources to turn things around. What has it done to date? Nothing that has been effective as far as I know.
Are you sure? The only segment of the population that the US government actively THROWS money at is unmarried, unemployed women who keep on having illegitimate children!

And considering how the POTUS signed the "Farm Bill" (MORE entitlements for Big Business Agriculture by offsetting the cost of it with LESS food stamps for ordinary people) with a big smile on his face, I don't see how you can write that with a straight face. Elected officials also have Medicare in their crosshairs, such as Ryan's 2014 budget which sneakily promises to "exempt" current senior citizens from the carnage he is proposing in the hopes they will vote to throw 55 year olds under the bus in the future.

Looks to me like they are INCREASING aid to corporations (just see all the tax cuts they are extending and making permanent RIGHT NOW ... turn on CSpan!) at the expense of regular people.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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A homeless guy at an intersection with a "will work for food" sign scrawled on dirty cardboard is doing business.

Where does everyone get the idea that it "takes money to make money" and self employemnt is out of reach?

How much money do you need to throw a ladder in the back of your pickup truck and clean gutters? Or haul yard debris to the dump?
Where I live you need a business license and a contractor's license for EACH Town and/or County to do that, including business insurance, workers' comp insurance, unemployment insurance, commercial automobile insurance, etc. set up. They investigate you thoroughly including criminal background check. Unlicensed contractors are routinely prosecuted, heavily fined and driven out of business.

PS: We also don't do our own "dumping." There is such a thing as garbagemen and sanitation departments.
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Old 05-15-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Hmm.. change the word unemployed to employed and it still applies! You sad wage slave. What do 99% of expendable cube farm hamsters like you do? Sit around waiting to collect a paycheck, to fund innumerable evenings of couch drinking and cable watching. The 'get a jerb!' mentality at work. Enjoy the office park. Maybe if you stop hitting on Jan in accounting, you'll make manager.
I think the bigger issue is that being a "cube farm hamster" working for an employer has been the paradigm in the USA since post-WW II. People have been conditioned to graduate with the highest degree they can and to seek a position with an employer. To this day that is what most college grads are trying to accomplish. It's in our culture. The "big daddy" employer will take care of you and yours! I remember when companies in the USA were actively trying to outdo each other in terms of the benefits and the perks they gave employees because it was a sign of a successful company that can give all the perks. They used to be fighting for those spots on the annual "Best Places to Work" lists.

Now? Not so much AT ALL! Companies are now trying to outdo each other with as little labor costs as possible. Considering how after NAFTA was signed it opened up legal legitimacy for all other kinds of free trade agreements and offshore outsourcing of American jobs, the "gubmint" is catering to companies and at this point I don't see how things can reasonably turn around and even meet the workers halfway anymore! Then we have the growth of automation in most workplaces, causing the need for less manpower.

People getting a "jerb" with an employer is no longer an attainable goal for many and the paradigm is changing. (Yet MANY people in the USA did not get the memo yet!)

So what will be the new paradigm for most ORDINARY people? Sure there's entrepreneurship, but as stated elsewhere in this thread, it's not for everyone. Should government create a new WPA and put people to work? Well, that's good and will fix a lot of things that need fixing, but taxes will go up to pay for that. Should the government create a permanent "dole" for people OTHER THAN serial unwed mothers? Well, that will raise taxes and isn't that "socialism" like the Europeans have it? Heaven forbid!

I think more high schools and colleges should prepare our youth for at least the basics of entrepreneurship as a start. That would at least help the syndrome of people graduating into nothing but unemployment, as the students with an entrepreneurial bent would have a head start.

People know what they live. Let's face it, so far in America for a great majority of ordinary citizens it has been "getting a jerb" and organizing their lives around that. Now that paradigm is changing, but it is unfair to make fun of people who are not in step with the new paradigm. It doesn't happen overnight. I am sure there are millions of high school graduates right now getting ready to start college in the Fall thinking if they do well, they will get a "good jerb as a hamster in the cube farm!"
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Old 05-15-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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There are a lot of people out there who have lost the desire to work. They want a paycheck, but they don't want to do the job that goes with it.

If living on government benefits pays enough to get by, then that's what they want.

I know several people who have job openings and can't find anyone to hire. Or they have to fire new employees almost immediately because as soon as you aren't standing there staring directly at them, they set down their tools and stare into space. Or they sit at their desk and play computer games instead of doing their work.

I personally know of a job that pays 6 figures and doesn't require an impossible amount of qualifying, but when I tell an unemployed person who is whining about not finding a job about that one, they aren't interested because they would have to work weekends. Really? Because I'd be happy to work weekends to make over $100,000 a year. Not them, though. They tell me that their recreational time is too valuable and they won't give it up.
I'd be interested.
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