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Old 05-21-2014, 05:45 AM
 
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Outsourcing is a very healthy and efficient model.
An important thing to note is the difference between outsourcing and off-shoring. You can outsource to a company right next door. Off-shoring means you hire people outside the US.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:16 AM
 
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There are no shortage of workers. Just a shortage of workers who are willing to do skilled work for Walmart wages.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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I am in the same city, Dallas, as Hazergore. His company was definitely underpaying at $50k for experienced developers. The going rate is closer to $80-100k/yr for 4-5 years exp.

Dallas companies are offering $80-95k for experienced analysts, which are more like superusers than developers. They only need to know SQL, Excel, and some basic SAS commands. They don't need to know the alphabet soup of Java, Python, VB, C, etc.
If you are being serious, then I need to seriously consider looking in Dallas. I live in the Raleigh-Durham metro area and wages are no where near that figure.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:22 AM
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Companies are sick of the H1B1's. They are beginning to discover their cheap wages are not so cheap when you factor in their incredibly low productivity. I hate to say it, but if an Indian hasn't graduated from the Indian Institute of Technology, I pretty much disqualify them as a walking cost-bomb.

They never are "so cheap." Apart from legal costs, you cant get an H1B unless the position is paying the prevailing wage. If you think the wage being paid undercuts the prevailing wage, tell the DoL, they are pretty hot on that sort of fraud.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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They never are "so cheap." Apart from legal costs, you cant get an H1B unless the position is paying the prevailing wage. If you think the wage being paid undercuts the prevailing wage, tell the DoL, they are pretty hot on that sort of fraud.
Again, companies can play word games with job listings.

I have posted a links at various points that say you basically create a "junior engineer" position and pay as such. Everything looks copacetic to the DoL because you're paying the "prevailing wage" for a "junior engineer" even though you're requiring 5 years experience.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:31 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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If you think the wage being paid undercuts the prevailing wage, tell the DoL, they are pretty hot on that sort of fraud.
Their very existence undercuts wages. One is increasing the supply [uncessesarily] as a result wages drop and Americans have a harder time getting hired (companies refuse to train and continue their purple squirrel job quals. H1-b's are almost owned by the company. They have limited ability to quit and find a better job because if they are fired they don't have much time before they are sent back to their home country. As a result companies can often heap whatever abuse they want on the H1-b's and they have little choice but to put up or go home.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Their very existence undercuts wages. One is increasing the supply [uncessesarily] as a result wages drop and Americans have a harder time getting hired (companies refuse to train and continue their purple squirrel job quals. H1-b's are almost owned by the company. They have limited ability to quit and find a better job because if they are fired they don't have much time before they are sent back to their home country. As a result companies can often heap whatever abuse they want on the H1-b's and they have little choice but to put up or go home.
Exactly.

By definition, increasing supply of labor decreases demand and thus wages... and makes it harder to find a job. Plus, since the visa workers are owned by the company, the company can then redefine their job as something far less paying and thus cheat the system yet another way.
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Old 05-21-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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The only benefit I see to all of the outsourcing and offshoring is they still require a skill person to steer them. Most managers that manage IT workers are forced to learn their trades too. You have IT managers that has to manage 2-5 different Lines of businesses. They need to know enough to some degree to connect the dots.
It isn't getting easier for managers too. Which is why consulting businesses are getting more and more popular because there are gaps where a manager could not entrust their internal resources to handle the job efficiently and they must bring in an expert to solve problems or set the processes down right.

For those who are very seasoned in a perm job, you can make more simply by taking on various consulting or freelancing gigs. Some 6 month gigs pay as well as 3/4 of your annual salary.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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If you are being serious, then I need to seriously consider looking in Dallas. I live in the Raleigh-Durham metro area and wages are no where near that figure.
The staffing agencies often include the payrate for the permanent positions in their listings. Check out the rates for permanent employees.

Search Jobs | BurnsSearch

$120k Senior BI Developer - Permanent - min 5 years exp of SQL Server
$80k Data Developer I/II - Permanent - min 3 years exp of SQL Server
$85-100k Senior Business Analyst - Permanent
$100-115k Senior Software Engineer - min 8 years exp

You don't even have to move. They don't advertise remote work, but many of the larger companies are open to hiring people from other states. If you are near one of their satellite offices, you can work remote. You would just go to the office to do paperwork and equipment maintenance.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:04 AM
 
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The staffing agencies often include the payrate for the permanent positions in their listings. Check out the rates for permanent employees.

Search Jobs | BurnsSearch

$120k Senior BI Developer - Permanent - min 5 years exp of SQL Server
$80k Data Developer I/II - Permanent - min 3 years exp of SQL Server
$85-100k Senior Business Analyst - Permanent
$100-115k Senior Software Engineer - min 8 years exp

You don't even have to move. They don't advertise remote work, but many of the larger companies are open to hiring people from other states. If you are near one of their satellite offices, you can work remote. You would just go to the office to do paperwork and equipment maintenance.

Here's the problem.

How does one get the required experience?
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