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The original story is bogus.
If he truly was making minimum wage he would have qualified for food stamps, rent assistance, an Obama phone, etc.
There is truly a myriad of benefits that the working poor can and do receive already.
Oh, there are TONS of opportunities out there! People who are helpless drive me up the wall. Mow yards, cut fire wood, clean houses, sharpen knives, drive a truck, walk dogs, .................just DO SOMETHING, y'all!
Alas, the thing that usually got them in so much trouble was that early-in-life pregnancy.
It's amazing how much better off a person is when they put ooff having kids until they can support them.
Nobody has yet brought up the fact that our "money" is being depreciated so quickly and severely that what used to be a liveable wage, no longer is. Here's the truth:
"In 1964, minimum wage was five silver quarters per hour. Today those five silver quarters are worth $18.60 in melt value. We don't need to fix the minimum wage, we need to fix the money." - Kenny Parsons of The Silver Bear Cafe
It's economic sleight of hand. Get people arguing over minimum wage, and they are too distracted to notice what is happening to the depreciating currency.
This is foolishness. Pick some specific thing to equate a hour of work too and depending on if its inflated a lot or a little you can get the numbers to show anything you want.
Wait until we are all living on minimum of everything, east Berlin style.
Wait, that can't happen!!
Our society is inching toward that direction everyday. Inflation will dictate we will never have enough.
The governor tried it for an astonishing week?!! How could he stand his own stench?
Was he ever digging at his last remaining tooth with a year old toothpick? Did he know the feeling of not being hungry? Did he realize the impoverished are obese and in poor health for the reason real food is prohibitively expensive to buy?
The original story is bogus.
If he truly was making minimum wage he would have qualified for food stamps, rent assistance, an Obama phone, etc.
There is truly a myriad of benefits that the working poor can and do receive already.
??? In Oregon, earned income of $1197 per month ($957 unearned) makes one ineligible for food stamps. A full-time minimum wage worker earns $1256 per month.
Where did you get the idea he would have qualified for minimum wage? Show your work.
True but that does not mean the solution is to force all of those minimum wage jobs to become living wage jobs. If you do that, many of those jobs just go away. They are only worth filling if they can be filled cheap.
It is the solution until there is a solution that is superior in moral aspect to driving an increasingly larger and larger portion of Americans into inescapable deficit with regard to paying their own way for the basics of life.
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Originally Posted by Spaten_Drinker
Automation will take them.
Automation hasn't met a job it doesn't like. It will happen or not eventually without regard to whether or not the human beings they're replacing are being paid enough to afford to pay their own way for the basics of life.
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Originally Posted by rosie_hair
We need long term solutions, not feel-good short term ones.
So first, without having ever met her, you implicitly accuse my step sister of being lazy, which she is not. Then you term the only viable means by which she can apply her conscientious and industrious efforts to earning her own way as "feel-good" instead of acknowledging the reality. Seems like you're just desperate to cast aspersions on people you don't know and rationalize depriving them of the dignity all people deserve inherently.
If only we can decrease the COL of living:gas, food, house, car, service, goods. Small companies can't afford to do it, large companies too greedy to do it, and the others won't do it because there is no reason for them to do it. Raising minimum wage doesn't help the folks that barely made over minimum wage, since the cost of things will go up eventually, but not everyone else wage.
Min wage was never meant for permanent main income.
And yet, in our present economy, it has become that. Many companies that pay these low wages excuse themselves saying that their jobs are meant as a supplement for students and people who have other forms of support. But statistic show that the majority of their employees are NOT that. And they actually prefer that because desperate people are far easier to control.
I applaud former-Governor Strickland for his effort and his honesty.
??? In Oregon, earned income of $1197 per month ($957 unearned) makes one ineligible for food stamps. A full-time minimum wage worker earns $1256 per month.
Where did you get the idea he would have qualified for minimum wage? Show your work.
How does Oregon affect the author's experiment, when he is in Ohio? He would have money to play with in Oregon, where he would make $1456-$1674.40 per month.
Full time would be 160 to 184 hours a month. There are 20-23 work days(m-f) in a month.
$9.10/hr x 160 = $1456.00
$9.10/hr x 184 = $1674.40
That's accounting for the fact that Ohio would have lower income thresholds for their benefits either.
Last edited by move4ward; 07-30-2014 at 06:02 AM..
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