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I work in accounting for a Fortune 250, not going to name since Im on here so much
Anyways it really bothers me that in my industry you are promoted based upon your technical knowledge and your "time served" rather than actual managerial skills. In my view, and Id argue most peoples view, is that management is a special skillset in and of itself that many are not cut out for. The problem we see here is because of this we have the most godaweful managers under the face of the sun. They know how to accurately report our financials of course, at the expense of every single lower level employee hating their job.
Is this a common promotion process where you work/in your field?
Id also point out that our manager to non manager ratio in my group is 1:1. They make everybody a manager eventually and put someone under them.
It's not really the "time served" but it's equivalent as if you don't spend a certain amount of time, people do not know you, unless you are a super star, and therefore cannot vote for your promotion.
I work in a small, satellite office, so not sure how it works in HQ. The two people that have moved up, of the maybe ten or so who have ever worked here, were in junior level positions and got to move to the full role in roughly a year or so each. Most other places I've worked were call centers, thus promotion was just based on popularity.
My company is too small and new for me to be able to tell. My previous company, basically you either have to be e survivor of a reorg, a cute girl working under the right manager (I saw the dumbest ghetto bimbo go from receptionist to a client facing sales role in a manner of months, she can't even speak proper English, but she's attractive), or you have to really be liked by senior management and have an in with them.
I work in accounting for a Fortune 250, not going to name since Im on here so much
Anyways it really bothers me that in my industry you are promoted based upon your technical knowledge and your "time served" rather than actual managerial skills. In my view, and Id argue most peoples view, is that management is a special skillset in and of itself that many are not cut out for. The problem we see here is because of this we have the most godaweful managers under the face of the sun. They know how to accurately report our financials of course, at the expense of every single lower level employee hating their job.
Is this a common promotion process where you work/in your field?
Id also point out that our manager to non manager ratio in my group is 1:1. They make everybody a manager eventually and put someone under them.
Where I work and in my industry in general, you are promoted in terms of years of experience and technical knowledge, as you so speak.
There are exceptions, especially at the managerial level. Somebody more ambitious or at least somebody who can talk the talk can make a Tier 7 position while somebody who is some years older will remain at a Tier 5 position, etc.
I think this is the way that it should be. You should put in your time.
When you have 27 year olds being promoted to managerial positions over 40 year olds, things get very messy and there's a lot of spite and backstabbing going on.
I work in accounting for a Fortune 250, not going to name since Im on here so much
Anyways it really bothers me that in my industry you are promoted based upon your technical knowledge and your "time served" rather than actual managerial skills. In my view, and Id argue most peoples view, is that management is a special skillset in and of itself that many are not cut out for. The problem we see here is because of this we have the most godaweful managers under the face of the sun. They know how to accurately report our financials of course, at the expense of every single lower level employee hating their job.
Is this a common promotion process where you work/in your field?
Id also point out that our manager to non manager ratio in my group is 1:1. They make everybody a manager eventually and put someone under them.
Where I work and in my industry in general, you are promoted in terms of years of experience and technical knowledge, as you so speak.
There are exceptions, especially at the managerial level. Somebody more ambitious or at least somebody who can talk the talk can make a Tier 7 position while somebody who is some years older will remain at a Tier 5 position, etc. But in general, the jumps aren't too crazy.
I think this is the way that it should be. You should put in your time.
When you have 27 year olds being promoted to managerial positions over 40 year olds, things get very messy and there's a lot of spite and backstabbing going on.
Where I work, there's already office politics and some amount of backstabbing. And it's a relatively lower paying industry. I can't even imagine how bad that would be in a large multinational where promotions mean big $.
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There have been some promotions here given to "great employees" with no supervisory experience, as a "development opportunity." Almost every case has resulted in failure and eventual voluntary demotion, and a mess to clean up for the next person. With the average age here climbing and retirements already frequent, some of us managers are starting to develop people ahead of time. In my case for example, it will be another 6-8 years before I go, but I am encouraging my workers with potential to get the management/supervisory training they need over that time to be able to successfully compete for my job when I go. We have tuition refund and will also pay for approved training if requested.
They don't in the small branch I work. the 1-2 people that have are in good with upper management with their lips constantly attached to their backsides all day.
The other 15-20 people that work there are stuck in the same positions year after year with no upward mobility at all.
Basically its a dead end place but at least its full time, steady days weekends off so can't complain too much I guess
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