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Old 02-12-2015, 09:21 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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One thing that constantly puzzles me is I read storied about antisocial, even borderline psychotic managers all the time. It often turns up as one of the top reasons workers quit. So once it becomes clear that the manager is a problem, why do companies not do something about it by either demoting/firing the individual or at the very least send them for retraining?

Turnover is a very expensive issue for companies and large turnover even more so. Poor morale which leads to worker disengagement is also a very expensive problem for employers. So again why don't companies do something?

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Old 02-12-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Nepotism
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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A lot of managers aren't trained, so there is no retraining to send them to.

Just because the employees know there is a problem does not mean that upper management knows there is a problem.

As long as the job is getting done, there will be a reluctance for most upper managers to do anything, especially if the manager in question supervises a low paid/low skill work force.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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One thing that constantly puzzles me is I read storied about antisocial, even borderline psychotic managers all the time. It often turns up as one of the number reason workers quit. So once it becomes clear that the manager is a problem, why do companies not do something about it by either demoting/firing the individual or at the very least send them for retraining?

Turnover is a very expensive issue for companies and large turnover even more so. Poor morale which leads to worker disengagement is also a very expensive problem for employers. So again why don't companies do something?

This probably varies a lot by industry, for example I would expect restaurant(s) to have a lot of employee turnover including managers. So if you happen to be in this job long enough the problem manager will eventually quit or get transferred anyway.


In more professional industries like law, accounting, IT, nursing, etc first thought would be Nepotism (like previously mentioned)

Second thought is the person who promoted the manager would look bad and would basically be admitting to making a mistake if they demoted or fired the manager.

Management (of people) IMO is an innate ability and some people have it and some don't. Unfortunately, a lot of the people without the ability get promoted to management. You can send them to all the classes you want, but in the end it will just be wasted time and money.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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One thing that constantly puzzles me is I read storied about antisocial, even borderline psychotic managers all the time. It often turns up as one of the number reason workers quit. So once it becomes clear that the manager is a problem, why do companies not do something about it by either demoting/firing the individual or at the very least send them for retraining?

Turnover is a very expensive issue for companies and large turnover even more so. Poor morale which leads to worker disengagement is also a very expensive problem for employers. So again why don't companies do something?
I think it comes down to the fact that it may be not as black and white. What's "bad" can be subjective. Sure, there is a very clear picture at both extremes. But that grey area in between is also very broad - making room for a lot of viewpoints.

It could be that the person is just a bad manager, but it could also mean the manager and the person making the claim simply don't get along, or have very different opinions on how things are done. The opposite is also true.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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They do.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:31 AM
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I think it comes down to the fact that it may be not as black and white. What's "bad" can be subjective.
This.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:40 AM
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Who is easier to replace? a manager or an associate?
Once you have the answer to this, you will have the answer to your question.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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Who is easier to replace? a manager or an associate?
Once you have the answer to this, you will have the answer to your question.
What about a manger or 5 associates? 10 associates? a revolving door of associates?

Again, answers are not always so obvious.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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"My manager is a mean old poopy-head" <> a bad manager
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