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so you are out $180 and only half done? Doesn't the original "qoute" for $300 seem about right? Maybe if you just paid up it would be done by now?
Sounded to me like $80 was for it half done, $180 was the total when the new guy finishes the job. And who's to say the guy who quoted $300 would have done a decent job or not walked off before finishing?
Yes, it would. Until such time as he deigns to respond it remains a question that can only be answered by subjecting it to our own biases for causality and response.
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I assumed he was illegal. It is known that most HD-parkinglot laborers are illegals. Makes sense, no written trace (like a craigslist ad or phone number) that they were actually looking for work there. If police asks, "they are just waiting for the bus". Do I need undeniable evidence? Ok, maybe they were part of the British royal family, lets assume that without seeing their "i'm an illegal" ID.
Whether the guy was illegal is beside the point. The point is that someone looking for undocumented work should not be that picky.
Do you provide all the necessary insurance?
No, SF Worker's Collective is a non-profit that helps connect workers with employers. The employment relationship is between the employer and worker. Check your homeowner's or renter's insurance for coverage.
And this:
What forms of payment do the workers accept?
The workers prefer to be paid in cash after the job is completed. No credit cards or personal checks.
Then this:
What if I'm not satisfied with the job completed?
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They think they're being cute but what this tells us is that they are aiding and abetting illegal aliens. The workers "prefer" to be paid in cash. Gee...why is that? Answer: No paper trail which means you can't prove that they were at your place and the worker gets to evade paying taxes.
And they "value your feedback"---whatever that means since they don't explain.
But dont forget he has to be paid or pay someone to go get the blower and the cellulose ...half an hour 45 minutes and hour??? Then haul it all to your house ( who's truck and gas ? Yours?) and set it up and blow it in and clean up and load it and take it back and... and... and... and... are you counting all that time? 20 minutes work? Hummm well it really cost him an hour just to come and see what you wanted done.. Do you work 8 hours for 7 hours pay everyday? How about what you thought would take 20 minutes and you dont do it for a living and more than likely you dont have the tools so its going to be more like 3 to 6 hours.. OOpppss hey chemist for the next 22 years we are only going to pay you to work 4 hours a day but you need to be here 8 hours a day....you'd be Pissed OFF!
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I've had similar problems. I try to get a contractor out to replace some rotten wood on my house and 3/4 don't show the rest quote me $500 for 20 minutes of work. I was looking for a contractor to blow some insulation into my attic last winter and couldn't get anyone to show up so went off to Home Depot and rented the equipment and did it myself for a little under $200. If you want something done right (and at a fair price)....
I got 5 yards of dirt delivered on my driveway.
I spent 2 days in trying to get some day laborer to shovel it into a wheelbarrow and move it into my backyard.
2 people promised but never showed up and never called and never answered my phone calls anymore.
One showed up but did part the job then suddenly had to go to another job. For all of these I offered $20/h.
I went to HD parking lot, there was only one illegal immigrant. When I mentioned $15/h he looked me like I have insulted his mother (the gossip says they work for $8-10/h), he said they don't do hourly rate but he wanted to charge $300 for the complete job. The job should be 5-8hours for one man.
So, no one is fancy doing some hard labor, and only trying to rip people off and not completing the job?
How the hell do I get anyone to do some FF labor DONE at all?
Haha that is insane to me the laziness. When I was between jobs for a bit a few years ago I'd do anything to get some money and make ends meet. Took a craigslist gig shoveling gravel for $10 an hour cash during an inland SD county heat wave of 105 degree days. 10 hours a day for a week. I have hip issues mind you. It about killed me but I was grateful to be able to make some money especially in early 2009 when there was just no real jobs out there.
Glad I have a career making just under 50K now (IMO great money here in Arizona) and a promising future as I move up here.
The OP was asked several times how he knew that the person he approached was illegal. He didn't answer - which I took to mean that he just assumed because the person was of another race.
How is that not bigotry?
It would be an "assumption", my guess (since I don't know the OP) based not on bigotry but based on the area and the people that generally look for work there.
Haha that is insane to me the laziness. When I was between jobs for a bit a few years ago I'd do anything to get some money and make ends meet. Took a craigslist gig shoveling gravel for $10 an hour cash during an inland SD county heat wave of 105 degree days. 10 hours a day for a week. I have hip issues mind you. It about killed me but I was grateful to be able to make some money especially in early 2009 when there was just no real jobs out there.
Glad I have a career making just under 50K now (IMO great money here in Arizona) and a promising future as I move up here.
You are obviously someone who values working for one's money instead of wanting something for nothing.
Any you're correct $50k in AZ is not bad at all!
I assumed he was illegal. It is known that most HD-parkinglot laborers are illegals. Makes sense, no written trace (like a craigslist ad or phone number) that they were actually looking for work there. If police asks, "they are just waiting for the bus". Do I need undeniable evidence? Ok, maybe they were part of the British royal family, lets assume that without seeing their "i'm an illegal" ID.
Whether the guy was illegal is beside the point. The point is that someone looking for undocumented work should not be that picky.
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LOL
Well, johnrex62, it appears that I was correct.
Oh, and it appears that I am not the bigot here.
Good day, sir.
Au Contraire. YOU stated he assumed illegal due to race. HE stated, as I suggested as a possibility, that he believed so because it is known that the norm for day laborers at the location is to be illegal.
You cannot be bigotted against a geographic location.
It would be an "assumption", my guess (since I don't know the OP) based not on bigotry but based on the area and the people that generally look for work there.
It's a very common assumption that at this point has become a societal norm near the border states at least. It's what drives me nuts when the topic of illegal immigration comes up people start talking about "seeing" illegals here and illegals there. At my company we E-verify and ensure validity of legal work visas when we hire. A lot of our labor force doesn't speak much english if any. They have a right to be here and did it the right way. Assumptions kill me. It's like racism is ok as long as they "look like illegals". My username has to do with my home town by the way, I'm a white guy .
I'd let it go and stay on topic on this one. It is such a societal norm that I doubt the OP was being a bigot, at least not intentionally.
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