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I would rather work for a company that notices my accomplishments and pays me for those accomplishments than for a company that has a collectivebargaining agreement such as a union. If one emloyee does a little extra for there employer, goes over and above there job description then chances are they will get the promotions that are available. I am not sure that this is the case with union workers, but with some that I have known they will say at the drop of a hat "That is not in my job description." Meaning ********* I won't do it and if you have a problem with that you can call my union rep. What good is that attitude in business? If I have an employee that gets the job done I will keep them. If I have an employee that follows the rules I will keep them. If I have an employee that goes over and above what is asked I will eventually promote them. And if I have an employee that slacks off all the time eventually they will end up leaving, one way or another.
I worked in a unionized job many years ago. I didn't like it because everybody knew that they couldn't easily get fired so they didn't work very hard. I was raised to see things from the employer's perspective and give a good days work for a days wages. In non-union jobs I have always moved ahead quickly because I am willing to work hard. In a union job you move ahead according to who was there before you.
I am not saying that union members are lazy. I just think that being in a union takes away your incentive to excel at your job.
"Why work hard"
That depends on where you are working. If your company will just dump more work on you - then why work hard. If they'll promote you, then by all means.
In the long run, companies that promote the hard workers will be run better (because people will want to work hard) and they will out compete those companies that encourage slacking.
I work hard because I love what I do. Why would you work for a place that you didn't enjoy being there and know that you can acomplish something. My thought is that if you don't like where yo work you need to find something else that you like.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I would rather work for a company that notices my accomplishments and pays me for those accomplishments than for a company that has a collectivebargaining agreement such as a union. If one emloyee does a little extra for there employer, goes over and above there job description then chances are they will get the promotions that are available. I am not sure that this is the case with union workers, but with some that I have known they will say at the drop of a hat "That is not in my job description." Meaning ********* I won't do it and if you have a problem with that you can call my union rep. What good is that attitude in business? If I have an employee that gets the job done I will keep them. If I have an employee that follows the rules I will keep them. If I have an employee that goes over and above what is asked I will eventually promote them. And if I have an employee that slacks off all the time eventually they will end up leaving, one way or another.
Do you actually believe that "work hard sonny boy and you will get ahead" crap? It don't work like that in the REAL world. Sure the bosses might pet you on the head and say "atta boy" while they hand out the raises and promotions to people that are half as productive and half as educated as you and who are often a relative of somebody else in management. I used to bust my ass too and was always above target on my scorecards and other non objective measurements but because I refused to get down on all fours and sniff the boss' ass, I will never see a promotion nor do I even want one anymore. I will just keep my union job thank you.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I work hard because I love what I do. Why would you work for a place that you didn't enjoy being there and know that you can acomplish something. My thought is that if you don't like where yo work you need to find something else that you like.
Once you are over 50 or near 50 it is damn hard to go and find something else. Especially if your job is specialized to a few companies. I worked for Bellsouth/Cingular for years. I didn't ask AT&T to buy my company. At one time I was appreciated for my hard work. Now I am not.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I worked in a unionized job many years ago. I didn't like it because everybody knew that they couldn't easily get fired so they didn't work very hard. I was raised to see things from the employer's perspective and give a good days work for a days wages. In non-union jobs I have always moved ahead quickly because I am willing to work hard. In a union job you move ahead according to who was there before you.
I am not saying that union members are lazy. I just think that being in a union takes away your incentive to excel at your job.
I do not agree with that. The company picks who will be promoted and it does not matter a bit on what your senority is. In fact my company hires many managers off the street and promotes others within a year of hire before they are even Journeymen technicians (many of them are sorry ass techs BTW). The union has nothing to say about who they promote. You get promoted by either having a family member in management or by kissing up to management. I have neither so, despite having a college degree from a good university and being able to spell my name correctly, I will never be promoted. But I am OK with that. Being in the union means I get better benefits than the managers do and, if I work even 5 hours of overtime, I get paid more than they do because they do not get squat for overtime although they are forced to work it.
In legal terms,
though, since the last half of the 19th century,
employment in each of the United States has been
“at will,” or terminable by either the employer or
employee for any reason whatsoever. The employment-
at-will doctrine avows that, when an
employee does not have a written employment
contract and the term of employment is of indefinite
duration, the employer can terminate the
employee for good cause, bad cause, or no cause
at all.
Real world experience while working for a global corporation, they simply sent out a mailing to all employees stating that any contracts if they existed were now null and void, and that all employees should consider themselves "at will employees". Every year we received another pamphlet in mailings to our homes that reminded us that we were "at will employees".
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