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Generally for part-time jobs. Even if someone could secure two such jobs, that's still not enough to pay one's own way and secure one's own future. (To be fair, ACA has helped a lot, in that regard. Workers with no choices other than such inadequate opportunities would be seriously screwed if it weren't for ACA.) Yet, for many people these days that's the best opportunity available for them to pursue. The paths to advancement are closed (as detailed earlier in the thread) and on a regular basis folks can expect an interruption even in this minimal opportunity, resulting in a building up of debt that isn't accounted for in the typical consideration of what $12.55 an hour could buy. We can see clearly the reality of how inadequate this is by the flowery rationalizations supporters of the status quo craft, blaming the victims and otherwise, seeking to avoid admitting that there is economic injustice and that it is getting worse.
Definitely, and it really isn't about the business' behavior but rather ours, as a society. In the end, it is society's responsibility to preclude, for lack of a better word, desperation. We can argue about the means by which society should be precluding desperation, but the presence of desperation is a definitive indicator of society's failure, even though so many in society are working so hard now to blame that desperation on those who are desperate. It smells a bit like the stages of grief, and society is still in the "denial" and "anger" phases. No consolation for those who need society to become well-adjusted, accept that there society itself has a problem, and begin working that problem.
Why? Human beings aren't clones of each other. We are unique individuals with a pretty broad dispersal of personality traits.
Asking about salary and other benefits before the interview is typically frowned upon.
Anything and everything can be "frowned upon". It's all based on the perspective and approach. If you show up to an interview and the first question that comes out of your mouth is "hey, what's this job paying and how much vacation time do i get". I'm sure that's not going to be very well received.
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Absolutely. A lot of employers nail you down and demand either your expected salary and/or your current salary on the job application. I've seen plenty of online applications where this is required data and you cannot submit the application without filling it in. So, they already have you cornered before your 1st interview.
So... When you call a shop/contractor for a home project/repair, isn't how much they charge one of the first few questions you're going to ask?
Generally for part-time jobs. Even if someone could secure two such jobs, that's still not enough to pay one's own way and secure one's own future. (To be fair, ACA has helped a lot, in that regard. Workers with no choices other than such inadequate opportunities would be seriously screwed if it weren't for ACA.) Yet, for many people these days that's the best opportunity available for them to pursue. The paths to advancement are closed (as detailed earlier in the thread) and on a regular basis folks can expect an interruption even in this minimal opportunity, resulting in a building up of debt that isn't accounted for in the typical consideration of what $12.55 an hour could buy. We can see clearly the reality of how inadequate this is by the flowery rationalizations supporters of the status quo craft, blaming the victims and otherwise, seeking to avoid admitting that there is economic injustice and that it is getting worse.
Definitely, and it really isn't about the business' behavior but rather ours, as a society. In the end, it is society's responsibility to preclude, for lack of a better word, desperation. We can argue about the means by which society should be precluding desperation, but the presence of desperation is a definitive indicator of society's failure, even though so many in society are working so hard now to blame that desperation on those who are desperate. It smells a bit like the stages of grief, and society is still in the "denial" and "anger" phases. No consolation for those who need society to become well-adjusted, accept that there society itself has a problem, and begin working that problem.
Why? Human beings aren't clones of each other. We are unique individuals with a pretty broad dispersal of personality traits.
Those best suited to be captains of their own ships are the ENTJs ("the Commanders")... 1.8% of the population.
That was society trying to get people to act differently from their actual innate nature. There's nothing particularly noble about that.
It could very well be that those coming here simply have the burning desire to plot their own course with business ownership paramount...
There are so many examples here in the SF Bay Area of people coming here to do just that.
I could give example after example... only one for Western Europe... all the other rest are from places like Hong Kong, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico, Central America... etc.
The gas station I patronize is now Korean, the Doctor's office Indian, local restaurants Hong Kong, Vietnam and Cambodia... several of the contractors all come from Spanish speaking countries...
It really is amazing at how complete the transition has become in the SF Bay Area..
Every time an old line white family sells a business property in most of the greater Bay Area it seldom is a white person buying.
The chain of Round Tables consisting of 4 is owned by 4 brothers from India... the first one bought one 22 years ago that was going to close because it was in the bad part of town... he turned it around and now his family owns 4 of them...
Sure sounds like the American dream is working...
The real dream is their kids are all going to UC Universities....
The local gardener started with one old truck and a used mower... a Laotian Boat Refugee... he still does landscaping... his kids a Doctor, Engineer and Lawyer...
He speaks broken English and has told me people that grew up here don't know what they have... can't understand why White and Black parents don't push their kids...
All a matter of prospective.
25 years ago we did not have one person of Filipino ancestry working in the Hospital... today it is over half including the OR Director...
Starting a business and hiring people and all the frivolous rules and regulations and fees and fines that go along with it make it a miracle that anybody is employed at all.
If you don't like your employer, quit and stop complaining. Blame the government for making this more difficult than it needs to be.
See lots of help wanted signs... minimum wage here is $12.55 an hour.
Generally for part-time jobs. Even if someone could secure two such jobs, that's still not enough to pay one's own way and secure one's own future. (To be fair, ACA has helped a lot, in that regard. Workers with no choices other than such inadequate opportunities would be seriously screwed if it weren't for ACA.) Yet, for many people these days that's the best opportunity available for them to pursue. The paths to advancement are closed (as detailed earlier in the thread) and on a regular basis folks can expect an interruption even in this minimal opportunity, resulting in a building up of debt that isn't accounted for in the typical consideration of what $12.55 an hour could buy. We can see clearly the reality of how inadequate this is by the flowery rationalizations supporters of the status quo craft, blaming the victims and otherwise, seeking to avoid admitting that there is economic injustice and that it is getting worse.
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Most business is about profit...
Definitely, and it really isn't about the business' behavior but rather ours, as a society. In the end, it is society's responsibility to preclude, for lack of a better word, desperation. We can argue about the means by which society should be precluding desperation, but the presence of desperation is a definitive indicator of society's failure, even though so many in society are working so hard now to blame that desperation on those who are desperate. It smells a bit like the stages of grief, and society is still in the "denial" and "anger" phases. No consolation for those who need society to become well-adjusted, accept that there society itself has a problem, and begin working that problem.
Hence, the perception expressed in the title of this thread that the economy is "bad". It is bad (categorically) because it fails to afford all sixteen quadrants of Americans (as characterized by M-B) with sufficient opportunities such that all those who wish to and try to can secure arrangements that allow them to pay their own way and secure their own futures.
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I find it odd that few aspire to be the captain of their own ship these days...
Why? Human beings aren't clones of each other. We are unique individuals with a pretty broad dispersal of personality traits.
Those best suited to be captains of their own ships are the ENTJs ("the Commanders")... 1.8% of the population.
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It use to be the American Dream to start your own business...
That was society trying to get people to act differently from their actual innate nature. There's nothing particularly noble about that.
It could very well be that those coming here simply have the burning desire to plot their own course with business ownership paramount...
Again, only 1.8% of people are rightfully characterized as those whom it is reasonable to expect as "captains of their own ships". However, if you dig deeper, not even those folks you're thinking of are really trying to "plot their own course". Rather, they're quite happy to exploit the labor marketplace, commercial marketplace, banking system, legal system, etc., of the society within which they seek to do business. Practically no one is aiming to do anything themselves without a remarkably high level of capitalization on what society offers.
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Sure sounds like the American dream is working...
Anecdotes don't prove that the concept itself is working categorically. To prove something categorically you'd have to show that the counter-examples - the cases where people cannot afford to pay for necessary health care even though they have Medicare - are practically non-existent. The American dream works for some, but there isn't enough capacity in the system for it to work, as such, for everyone. And the problem is exacerbated by a general callousness that has become acceptable in the country in recent years, insulating otherwise reasonable and compassionate people from that which would prompt them to help move things back toward a more comprehensively inclusive American dream.
Employers want top-quality candidates at the cheapest prices.
^^^This
While I keep hearing unemployment has lowered considerably, this wouldn't be an option for employers if it was truly an "employees market". I suspect the following situations are at play:
1. Lots of continued pent up demand. This is tied to the "real unemployment rate" still above 10%
2. Globalization - Companies don't have to hire US workers. They can get the workers overseas at cheaper prices. Maybe not the same quality, but good enough in their mind
3. Frustration - Most employees have been unsatisfied in their current roles and are looking for an upgrade. They are currently employed, so it doesn't add to the unemployment rate. However, this creates significant competition for those cherished few jobs available
4. Automation - Companies have found ways to get business done with fewer employees. Its like musical chairs where the future state does not have jobs for everyone
5. Companies are more willing to keep the job open indefinitely, if the perfect candidate is not located (e.g., 25 years old, with 10+ years experience, willing to work for pennies on the dollar). They have experimented with increasing productivity (e.g., more work with fewer people) and care much less about the employee well being, thus will continue this vicious cycle.
Anything and everything can be "frowned upon". It's all based on the perspective and approach. If you show up to an interview and the first question that comes out of your mouth is "hey, what's this job paying and how much vacation time do i get". I'm sure that's not going to be very well received.
I would much rather know these details, especially salary, starting out so I don't waste either my or their time. I'm not going to work a job pays $10/hr with no benefits.
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