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Some companies are more worried about liability than others. A friend of mine is a VP at a major international transportation company that owns several school bus services. He told me that his company used to pay out millions every year in lawsuits related to the criminal records of school bus drivers. At his company, they do regular background checks.
When I worked for a government lab I had a security clearance that required regular background checks. Depending on the industry, it may be pretty standard.
Its funny becasue top secret security clearance contractors will buy things from some guy who is building scientific apparatus out of his garage with no clearance. Also the sidewinder was built by 4 dudes in a garage with no clearance.
I get the whole school bus thing with little kids and the whole child molester thing but "national security" clearances are so much hype its not even funny. Do you really care if your rocket scientists go out and get a DWI. I mean I get the need to protect national secuity and national intellectual property but it has been hyped WAY to much from every GI that knows C++ that managed to get a security clearance that it has been watered down. Just because you have some DWI's for blowing a 0.081 does not make you a secuirty risk nor should having a clearance as a GI give you preference over a PhD rocket scientist just because you had an MOS that allowed you to walk around facilities where smart people were building cool ****. I have found security clearnaces are in part a way to inflate someones ego who has no buisness having an inflated ego.
There are some impressive people that came out of the service and those people should be specificly recognized but just having a clearance does not make you all that. I think it was a woman in the navy who invented Binary, I dont know how she did it with all the meat heads screaming all the time to inflate their own self worth but she did and if she were alive I would love to talk to her. My guess is if she was not in the navy she might have been the next enstine. The meat head screaming does not help scientists or engineers.
I think it would be awesome if engineering and scientists could have their own nation so we did not have to listen to the drivel from the peanut gallery.
Its funny becasue top secret security clearance contractors will buy things from some guy who is building scientific apparatus out of his garage with no clearance. Also the sidewinder was built by 4 dudes in a garage with no clearance.
I get the whole school bus thing with little kids and the whole child molester thing but "national security" clearances are so much hype its not even funny. Do you really care if your rocket scientists go out and get a DWI. I mean I get the need to protect national secuity and national intellectual property but it has been hyped WAY to much from every GI that knows C++ that managed to get a security clearance that it has been watered down. Just because you have some DWI's for blowing a 0.081 does not make you a secuirty risk nor should having a clearance as a GI give you preference over a PhD rocket scientist just because you had an MOS that allowed you to walk around facilities where smart people were building cool ****. I have found security clearnaces are in part a way to inflate someones ego who has no buisness having an inflated ego.
I was always under the impression that more than a DWI, for example, they were concerned about credit issues or drug problems. The main reasons were that a guy that drove drunk didn't put himself in a situation where he can be compromised. The guy being sued and foreclosed with Alimony payments is a better target to compromise.
I think my company runs DMV checks with drivers every year. IDK about the background check. When I lived in MN i would get a copy when it was done, per state law. Now I don't so IDK.
When I joined my current company, they did a thorough check. Now a couple years later they just ran another check. I spoke around and apparently they ran everyone again.
I personally don't care. They can check my background all they want. I don't have anything that would raise a grandmother's eyebrow.
Just wondering. Is it common practice to do everyone's background on a regular basis? All my past companies ran the check one time when hiring.
As far as I know, my company does not do this.
The only people I know who were screened again were people who had their current companies taken over by some other company.
I was always under the impression that more than a DWI, for example, they were concerned about credit issues or drug problems. The main reasons were that a guy that drove drunk didn't put himself in a situation where he can be compromised. The guy being sued and foreclosed with Alimony payments is a better target to compromise.
I think my company runs DMV checks with drivers every year. IDK about the background check. When I lived in MN i would get a copy when it was done, per state law. Now I don't so IDK.
If he is a national security rocket scientist PhD then the govt can make the law suit and alimony go away, they can even make unreasonable child support go away, if they don't then I would question how much I was valued and maybe Russia would have some opportunities.
The govt can make most legal problems go away so if they don't and are using them to pull your clearance then they don't value you enough to keep you on.
A full military or government security clearance for top secret, is very extensive.
I was in charge of cargo in and out of a large naval transport base in the 50s. I got a call from my parents one day, wanting to knot what was going on. There were 2 FBI agents in town the last 3 days, running a check on me. They interviewed my former high school principal, some teachers, former employers for after school jobs, my parents, and parents of some of my friends. Police Chief, and a couple of the officers. A small town area, where both sides of the family had been some of the earliest white settlers in the area, so we knew everybody. Those getting interviewed would call my parents wanting to know what was going on. It was for Top Secret clearance, and only the Commanding Officer and myself had that level of clearance.
I did not know I was being cleared for Top Secret so I wondered what was going on. Kind of spooky and suddenly I was worried. Three days later I was called to the Commanding Officers office, and was told that I had been thoroughly been investigated and had passed for top secret clearance. I was told of certain cargo that was going through the base. Trucks with military police escorts would show up, and we would load the cargo on planes. I had to personally check each box against the inventory list to account for every box. I would be unable to tell anyone, what was in the boxes my people loaded on the planes. The base would supply several Marines to guard the planes, and no one but the crews, and my people could get near them while loading. It is no longer top secret what was going through the base, but was the materials for the atomic tests over in those pacific islands. Including the test equipment on up through the bombs themselves. All in heavy reinforced wooden special built crates. A number would be on each box, and that number matched to the invoice that only I or my commanding officer could even see. I usually worked ever other day, but if I was to be off duty when that was going on I had to be there. I was told 3 days before a shipment it was coming and that I had to be there no matter if it was my day off, or a work day.
I was transferred to Hawaii to the big naval base on the other end of the island from Honolulu, and one day a big military transport came in. It had been escorted by military fighter aircraft which landed and went to another area. Only time I ever saw a plane go through that from when it first took off in Korea, till it was at it's U.S. destination, protected by ever changing planes, as the plane was picked up by new escorts all way for half the way around the world. There were marine guards there to circle it dress right dress (meaning one arms length from the next guard). A fuel truck came up and the crew took it over and added fuel to the tanks. The crew went to lunch. Nothing was going on or off the plane. The plane commander told my CO that he needed someone to get their coffee machine fixed, as they needed it operating and it had to be someone with top secret clearance. The CO told them he did not know to fix it. I stepped forward and said I could do it, and if they owned the sealed envelope in my records, they would find a Top Secret Clearance. They checked and I went aboard to show the #2 pilot how to operate the coffee machine that had ran out of coffee and shut down. Inside was a fighter plane, with wings and tail off, stored along the sides of the long cabin.
Everyone tried to ask me what was on the plane, but I could not say anything or I would end up in a military prison. 3 days later the invoice came through which said, ONE ENEMY PLANE and it was no longer classified as top secret. It was now back east close to the pentagon. I realized then, I saw the Mig fighter plane that that Korean Pilot had smuggled out of North Korea and delivered to a U.S. military base for $1,000,000 and a U.S. Citizenship that was all over the news.
Military top secret is hard to get, and few ever have it. Private companies sometimes have to go to this length to get some people classified for top secret, to work on certain government projects.
Most companies except for menial jobs do a check on employees when they are hired, and sometimes on an annual basis, etc. Those checks today are much more detailed than in the not so distant past. Criminal record, Facebook page, and personal information which lists any and all marriages, divorces, etc., etc., All that information is out there, so with the push of a button the services that run the checks can tell everything about you. Some on these threads, say leave off employers that will not give you a good recommendation, etc. Don't worry, those checks will show where you have worked and if they are different than the ones you show, the prospective employer will know and wonder why you did not list them.
Today a background check, not only checks to see if you have a criminal record, but everything about you. Many even check what you post on social media. People have lost their jobs, based on what they posted on social media.
Example of recently being in the News. A young woman got a job working at an assisted living facility to start the next morning. Went home and announced to the world that she had finally found a job, and she hated it already. She went on how even looking or touching an elderly person repulsed her.
Went to work the next morning, and found out the job had been withdrawn because they could not have anyone working there that felt about elderly people the way she did.
I've never heard of an FB post ending up on a background check unless you're threaten crime or admitting you've commited one. What probably happened is her boss probably checked her FB and saw it.
Unless your company works closely with children or there is super liability, or national security issues involved there is no reason to violate someone's privacy. Employees must agree to this type of intrusion. Has it gotten to the point where "Big Brother" runs the show?
....Well, what do ya know ?Almost 1/3 of the pop has a rap sheet! I believe it. With all the petty crimes that are on the books, i wouldn't be surprised if this rises higher.
The sad part is, the stigma of being busted for a "mis-dermeanor" or first time felony offense is embarassing or downright shameful for most people. MEAN-WHILE "most if not all" people have committed crime (from petty theft like swiping a pack of gum, to more serious offenses like DUI) but MOST WERE never busted. Its the un-fortunate "few who were actually caught" that take the "cruel and unusual punishment by the system.
"Moreover, the negative effect of having a conviction in their criminal history was found to be twice as large for black job-seekers as compared to their white counterparts. Clearly there is a significant stigma attached to a criminal conviction, but the overwhelming majority of Americans with a criminal history were never convicted of a serious crime; many were not even formally charged with one"
IF the justice system were "FAIR" it would expunge all criminal records after a person has done their time or probation, etc. Or at least, clear the record after some time has passed. But this is not the case. If you get a couple of lumps when you are "young and dumb", you won't be forgiven by the system----even after you pay your fines, do your time, or what-ever the state/feds want. America....home of the Free!
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