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View Poll Results: Are you in favor of tenure?
Yes I am 20 40.00%
No I'm not 23 46.00%
I'm undecided 7 14.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-30-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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I'm probably going to be the most hated person around here, but I have to say it. I find no rational reason for tenure.

I believe (much like Napolean) that holding a job has to be on merit and job skills, not based on who your mom and dad was, not on tenure nor belonging to a union. Basically the best man or woman for the job.

I'm taking a poll on this. I can guess how the voting will go, but an actual poll is much better. You're free to give your opinion, I just gave mine.

Note to mod: please leave this thread in this forum as I have other occupations in mind besides teachers and professors. Thank you.

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Old 12-30-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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If I ran a company tenure wouldn't mean much. I want the best person for the job regardless of tenure. Bob in accounting who has been with the company 30 years isn't getting a promotion so easily.
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Old 12-30-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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When/where does tenure have anything to do with one's mom or dad or belonging to a union?

In occupations I'm familiar with, tenure simply means that you have demonstrated competence over a sustained period of time (maybe 5 years) and, as a result, you have earned some additional job security, such that you will not be fired without a valid reason. Others without tenure (i.e., those who have not demonstrated competence over a sustained period of time) are "fired" first.
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Old 12-30-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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Tenure doesn't make sense for most jobs. But it does make sense for some jobs... like a university professor. It makes no sense for teachers (in most cases).
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Old 12-30-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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I am unaware of any profession outside teaching and professing that has tenure. Perhaps being related to the owner of the company.
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Old 12-30-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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I think the OP just used the wrong wording here. I assumed they meant people working in the company for a long time often get offered better opportunities regardless of their skills/accomplishments.
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Old 12-31-2016, 06:38 AM
 
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I think the OP just used the wrong wording here. I assumed they meant people working in the company for a long time often get offered better opportunities regardless of their skills/accomplishments.
like politicians??

and we seem to keep voting them back in
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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What do you mean by tenure that is other than academic tenure?
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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What do you mean by tenure that is other than academic tenure?
You can call it another name, but the idea's the same. For example, in unions such as electrical e.g., if your father was an electrician, then you get to be an electrician and if you father wasn't, then you don't get to be an electrician or at least it used to be that way. I regard that as a form of tenure.
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Old 12-31-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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For professors: yes, tenure is useful and protects freedom of speech in academia. That said, there still needs to be a way to fire bad profs.

For most other professions: enforced no-termination is a bad thing that encourages laziness and incompetence. There's nothing worse than a terrible employee who can't be fired.
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