Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
When I furloughed from the Treasury Dept this past August 2016, they sent out an announcement, and we had a meeting that they wouldn't be hiring anyone else in my dept. for the upcoming tax season. No new hires.
Our freeze was do to the fact that now people are sending their tax returns via e-filing, and alot of our jobs and people aren't needed...
I've got a pretty good feeling you work with me, or at least the same place.
The dear government decided that our division was no longer needed, and will be shut down in Sept. 2019. Two more service centers will be closing also.One in 2021 and the other in 2023. Everyone was told to apply for anything they saw open, even if it is another agency. I'm waiting to see how the hiring freeze will affect us. There are 1800 people that are losing their jobs. Many of them are single mothers. If our jobs were outsourced, it could end up being a very big breach of security. They tried it once, and it became a disaster. I know no one wants their personal info out there somewhere, and that's what could possibly happen if outsourced. We have to go thru an extensive background check, and are watched very closely.
We were told our department may be getting a few, but they will be temporary, not to exceed one year.
Trump needs to cut the defense budget so that the gov't doesn't just replace federal employees with overpaid contractors. So far this has never happened, yet it is so needed.
The Treasury dept could easily be cut in half and nothing would change as far as results.
That means cutting contractors and federal employees.
Trump needs to cut the defense budget so that the gov't doesn't just replace federal employees with overpaid contractors. So far this has never happened, yet it is so needed.
The Treasury dept could easily be cut in half and nothing would change as far as results.
That means cutting contractors and federal employees.
The reason the contractor are so highly paid is so they can weather brutal and excessively long lay offs when contract work sours. I am a contractor now in another industry and I am trying really hard to get into fed govt GS roll because you literally live year to year as a contractor, when you are single and don't care its not an issue but when you have actual bills its a serious problem. Even the "overpaid" amounts are not worth a potential year long lay off or having to uproot and sell a house because of contract shenanigans.
Of all this talk about gutting and firing where exactly do people think all these fired, gutted people are going to go or do? I mean we are talking millions of people some with highly specialized skills in weapons development or other engineering and science disciplines.
Trump needs to cut the defense budget so that the gov't doesn't just replace federal employees with overpaid contractors. So far this has never happened, yet it is so needed.
The Treasury dept could easily be cut in half and nothing would change as far as results.
That means cutting contractors and federal employees.
Let me guess you must be retired, you got yours already.
FWIW, I've worked a couple seasons doing temp summer jobs with the USFS doing timber work and firefighting. Right now is when these summer positions are being hired by the USFS, BLM, NPS and BIA. This freeze applies to these jobs according to my supervisor from last year. 90 days ends almost in May. That means, without some change of some sort, the summer hires relied on for running campgrounds, fighting wildfire, preparing timber sales many rural communities rely on, among other things, will not be hired. Property and maybe lives will be lost to fires if resources are too thin and poorly prepared to contain them (even if they hire a bunch of fire people on in 90 days they will not be fully prepared overnight), the tourism industry some places rely on to survive will suffer when campgrounds in parks and forests close and the tourists stop showing up, places which rely on the timber harvests on public lands will suffer. We're talking many thousands of people who won't find employment in the private sector at any comparable job or salary. I have a college degree in a science field and have been overqualified for the jobs I've had but there are also few private sector opportunities in the field here these days. The ripple effect is, for example myself, without that summer job I won't be doing the addition to my home I've been planning (or the solar electric system or the new greenhouse either). Lots of business lost for local hardware stores and lumber yard. I won't be getting a newer used truck to replace the truck I have which is becoming unreliable. I'll be spending less money in general this summer. No new chainsaw like I planned (planned to get a rather large one for managing my woodlot). Times that by thousands of people. One of my friends from last year's job isn't sure how he'll keep his house (which he in fact inherited but with a few years left of his parents' mortgage to pay off) and he has a kid too. Jobs are scarce here. Those federal jobs actually have a major impact on many communities. And the ones impacted aren't the lay people sitting around getting rich you think they are. They're the lower level people who actually do some important things. I mean think, over 3 million people visited Yellowstone last year, that's a huge blow to the economy when you hurt something like that if nothing else is important to you.
Only for a time, then the boom time lasted some 20 years with another 20-30 of ok times. Without a war how are 7 billion people going to eat? I suppose we could just wait for some major famine or plague.
The problem with waiting for plague or famine is the right people are not threatened, the oligarcys will still be comfy and hanging out. Only war can threaten the actual power structures. When someone targets you with a cruise missle your going down.
Yeah, how did I miss that - especially since it sounds so reasonable.
FWIW, I've worked a couple seasons doing temp summer jobs with the USFS doing timber work and firefighting. Right now is when these summer positions are being hired by the USFS, BLM, NPS and BIA. This freeze applies to these jobs according to my supervisor from last year. 90 days ends almost in May. That means, without some change of some sort, the summer hires relied on for running campgrounds, fighting wildfire, preparing timber sales many rural communities rely on, among other things, will not be hired. Property and maybe lives will be lost to fires if resources are too thin and poorly prepared to contain them (even if they hire a bunch of fire people on in 90 days they will not be fully prepared overnight), the tourism industry some places rely on to survive will suffer when campgrounds in parks and forests close and the tourists stop showing up, places which rely on the timber harvests on public lands will suffer. We're talking many thousands of people who won't find employment in the private sector at any comparable job or salary. I have a college degree in a science field and have been overqualified for the jobs I've had but there are also few private sector opportunities in the field here these days. The ripple effect is, for example myself, without that summer job I won't be doing the addition to my home I've been planning (or the solar electric system or the new greenhouse either). Lots of business lost for local hardware stores and lumber yard. I won't be getting a newer used truck to replace the truck I have which is becoming unreliable. I'll be spending less money in general this summer. No new chainsaw like I planned (planned to get a rather large one for managing my woodlot). Times that by thousands of people. One of my friends from last year's job isn't sure how he'll keep his house (which he in fact inherited but with a few years left of his parents' mortgage to pay off) and he has a kid too. Jobs are scarce here. Those federal jobs actually have a major impact on many communities. And the ones impacted aren't the lay people sitting around getting rich you think they are. They're the lower level people who actually do some important things. I mean think, over 3 million people visited Yellowstone last year, that's a huge blow to the economy when you hurt something like that if nothing else is important to you.
If you don't mind me asking, are you relying only on seasonal temp work? Or do you have a job that lets you work other jobs during the summer?
So do you have a cry room when this country becomes one big riot (civil unrest not laughter). No one will be laughing as the fed jobs are slashed and there are no private sector jobs to absorb all those people.
There is no RIF. There is no indication of a RIF.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pittsflyer
I dont agree with the cry rooms but I do live in reality and know the consequences of mass unemployment
There is no mass unemployment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pittsflyer
and huge number of destitute people.
We don't have a huge number of destitute people.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pittsflyer
I am hoping trump is a little smarter than this and that the USA is not his little company where he can just purge natual born US citizens like an at will employee.
Sometimes, a government needs to refocus its resources on the things that are more important. That hasn't been announced, and if it hypothetically were to be announced, that is not a purge.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pittsflyer
Once the riots start
There will be no riots aside from the whackjobs who are angry they didn't get their way in the election.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pittsflyer
thats when we will see either emergency fixes or the really dark stuff like fema camps and mass death and massive human rights violations on the part of the govt if they start gunning people down.
Seriously? From which fake news site did you get your ideological education?
Last edited by SportyandMisty; 01-24-2017 at 09:58 PM..
I wonder how long before he starts trimming the fat all over the public sector with non-essential federal jobs.
I guess the private sector is going to be the way to go over the next 4-8 years with Trump at the helm. He also signed or a "border tax" to any CEO thinking of outsourcing positions.
The public sector looks to be looking a little "shaky" to say the least
Many of the Federal jobs that are cut and the activities associated with them will simply disappear and not re-emerge in the private sector. For example, the administration could cripple all Federal monitoring and enforcement of air quality regulations, as well as research related to these activities. It could also eliminate all activities related to the collection and dissemination of meteorological, hydrologic and oceanographic data/information (although some of this could well be replaced by demand-driven private sector activities).
I don't know if it's worth putting some facts out here or not, but here goes.
In 1960 there were roughly 1.8 million Executive Branch employees, not counting uniformed military and Post Office, with a US population of 179 million. Of that number approximately 1 million supported DoD. In 2014 the number was about 2 million but only 700,000 were DoD. And in 2014 the US population was about 319 million.
So this tells us two things: First, the Executive Branch is actually pretty darn efficient providing more services to almost double the number of people with only an 11% increase in staff. And second, regardless of what people like to think DoD has decreased significantly in size.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
