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Old 08-30-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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It's crap like this that made me run my own business.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:03 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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I would guess that you've never owned a business,right? Trying to blend personalities into a cohesive team is not as easy as you think it is. Plus it can become very expensive when mistakes are made.You may think you bring a lot to the table, but if what you bring isn't a good fit it's worthless.
A professional should be able to deal with any personality who isn't completely toxic, introvert, extrovert, shy, aggressive, timid... If you are such a delicate shallow little snowflake that you can only work with buddies and think work is a social club you should be fired and sent back to your safe space.

If you seriously think putting money into quackery like this will do anything to reduce the chances of a bad hire you might as well call the psychic hotline or start reading candidate's palms. If anything, ramming this trash down applicants' throats will turn off talent.
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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My employer recently starting doing personality testing called DISC. At first I didn't think much of it only that it was going to be a 3 hour meeting which I dreaded I have lot of work to do. They sent us a test by email which had 30-40 questions then at the meeting with my entire department each person's test results were shared. I was really surprised how accurate this test was and at the time of the meeting it was kind of fun to talk about one another's personalities. Later that day I kind of felt violated that the results were shared with my team members without my consent. It seems to me that this kind of thing could be a hipaa violation. I don't know if it really is or not I have found some websites that say it's a ADA violation for pre-employment.
We did somerging similar, and got a cart where all of our colleagues fell on the scale. Then we did exercises on how to best communicate with each other. I found it amazingly helpful. What's the probelm? Your coworkers know you are a INTJ?
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Old 08-31-2017, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Personality testing could someday be illegal.


Employers are looking for extroverts so answer the questions the way an extrovert would (ie. you like being around people, talking, enjoy spending time with others, speak before you think). This is based on the stereotype that extroverts are "better people". The workplace is like the old high school atmosphere with people not having matured much past that point. They want the jocks and the cheerleaders.
what? really? where does this stereotype come from?
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Old 09-01-2017, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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We did somerging similar, and got a cart where all of our colleagues fell on the scale. Then we did exercises on how to best communicate with each other. I found it amazingly helpful. What's the probelm? Your coworkers know you are a INTJ?
No problem I think the entire exercise was a waste of time I had lot of work to do and most others thought the same. I guess I should have done little research into what they were doing just called in sick that day.
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:36 PM
 
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We had to do that test PLUS 3 other tests, similar but from different brands, the past year! I honestly feel they are using it as a "weeding out" tool for sales stafff. Many of us in Our region have noticed you are looked on unfavorably or questioned more intently about your work if you don't align with the big bosses super type-a personality. It's ridiculous. The last test even asked as the last question whether we answered all questions or truthfully or answered question based on what we thought they wanted to hear. Well, duh!
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:56 AM
 
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A professional should be able to deal with any personality who isn't completely toxic, introvert, extrovert, shy, aggressive, timid... If you are such a delicate shallow little snowflake that you can only work with buddies and think work is a social club you should be fired and sent back to your safe space.

If you seriously think putting money into quackery like this will do anything to reduce the chances of a bad hire you might as well call the psychic hotline or start reading candidate's palms. If anything, ramming this trash down applicants' throats will turn off talent.
You said it yourself...deal with. You don't deserve a job, when there are 50 other people just as qualified as you why should they hire someone they have to "deal with" when they can hire someone qualified and pleasant? You seem to live in a world where the 2 options are unqualified and pleasant or qualified and unpleasant. You clearly lean towards the unpleasant to work with side as I can tell from interacting with you, but that doesn't make you qualified or good at your job. Also there is a huge difference between being opinionated and professional, I.e. Task conflict vs. "relationship conflict" or the fact that a person is just a pain in the a$$ to work with.

Just some food for thought
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:52 AM
 
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You said it yourself...deal with. You don't deserve a job, when there are 50 other people just as qualified as you why should they hire someone they have to "deal with" when they can hire someone qualified and pleasant? You seem to live in a world where the 2 options are unqualified and pleasant or qualified and unpleasant. You clearly lean towards the unpleasant to work with side as I can tell from interacting with you, but that doesn't make you qualified or good at your job. Also there is a huge difference between being opinionated and professional, I.e. Task conflict vs. "relationship conflict" or the fact that a person is just a pain in the a$$ to work with.

Just some food for thought
I don't know, most of us would probably get along fine with MSChemist in the workplace. His point of view pretty much matches probably 90% of the INTJ scientists I work with. We all hold pretty much the same opinion of psychobabble -- a shaky framework of conclusions based on a foundation of loose assumptions.


I do however differ in opinion on the usefulness of some of this. I've found it useful in helping me formulate presentations and memos for the E's and especially the feeling E's in management because they don't handle a logical presentation of facts leading to a conclusion well. They want to jump right to the decision without all the facts needed to make it intelligently. Understanding their work and thinking habits makes it easier to organize information for them to "get it."
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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I don't know, most of us would probably get along fine with MSChemist in the workplace. His point of view pretty much matches probably 90% of the INTJ scientists I work with. We all hold pretty much the same opinion of psychobabble -- a shaky framework of conclusions based on a foundation of loose assumptions.


I do however differ in opinion on the usefulness of some of this. I've found it useful in helping me formulate presentations and memos for the E's and especially the feeling E's in management because they don't handle a logical presentation of facts leading to a conclusion well. They want to jump right to the decision without all the facts needed to make it intelligently. Understanding their work and thinking habits makes it easier to organize information for them to "get it."
I'm not completely disagreeing. I think the value added these provide in skilled positions is rather limited, but let's not pretend the standard hiring process in general is based on something other than "a shaky framework of conclusions based on a foundation of loose assumptions". In a perfect world we'd give everyone a 2 week trial and hire the best. We don't do that so we rely on at most an 8 hour interaction with them and what they said they've done in the past on their CV.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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I remember when there was another personality test long ago (Mid 1990's) and so while I knew the employer would hire anyone (As long as they could walk and talk) I then just marked the answers I'd have loved to give in various situations. The result came back that I was not to be trusted with financial documents, Nor given a position of authority and that I had a hair trigger temper.

They still hired me as a security guard....Go figure
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