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No rebuttal from them I see. Some of us get the message loud and clear. But others choose to not care one whit about others. They don't care the least bit about the root causes. Its easier to blame those less fortunate rather than address the root causes.
Yes, and beyond being easier, it fosters their own personal fortunes - so personal greed tends to be a major reason why we don't see people internalizing and acknowledging the root causes. In other words, they have theirs and they couldn't care less about anyone else. They perhaps view life as a competition and don't recognize the moral abhorrence of their figuratively climbing over the bodies of other people to secure some extra luxuries for themselves.
Isn't working at Disneyland the same as working at a McDonalds or equivalent, an entry level job until you can qualify for something better?
No, it's more of a glamor job. People who work at McDonalds are living at home and working part-time while going to school. People working at Disneyland are paying room and board, which eats up their paychecks.
I knew a woman in college who had worked a summer at Cedar Point, Ohio as a performer. As I recall, she said the women could break even, or possibly save a few dollars. The men, with their bigger appetites, lost money on the job.
Since both my parents and I thought the purpose of a part-time job was to earn money, I never pursued that sort of thing, nor did I do volunteer work.
Now we did have a woman who worked at the Disney World sewage plant stop in with her grandparents to tour our sewage plant (We water & sewage workers do this sort of thing). Working in the Disney World sewage plant may not be glamorous, but I'll bet the pay was competitive.
That's why Aspen, CO had to build subsidized housing specifically for the workers, who before had to commute from Denver every day (that can be a life or death drive if the road is even open during ski season)
Disney should just open a housing camp for its workers about 50 miles out of town in the "cheap" zip code. They could then provide buses to get the employees to the park for their shift. Problem solved.
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Disney should just open a housing camp for its workers about 50 miles out of town in the "cheap" zip code. They could then provide buses to get the employees to the park for their shift. Problem solved.
50 miles in Southern California can take 3 hrs one way to drive, that would be a six hour round trip. They would be better off building a dorm either on park grounds or just off it in Anaheim
50 miles in Southern California can take 3 hrs one way to drive, that would be a six hour round trip. They would be better off building a dorm either on park grounds or just off it in Anaheim
Or they can just put the workers up in their hotel or something.
Or they can just put the workers up in their hotel or something.
They've done something along those lines in the past for the employees that they offer the least compensation. The Disney College Program offers opportunities that include "living", "learning" and "earning" experiences. The earning experiences are typically regarded as slightly better than unpaid internships.
The double standard rears itself when an individual bites of more than he can chew... he gets criticized for not planning ahead, being smarter, not saving money, etc. However, when a business runs into problems they're allowed to blame increase in wages, increases in costs, gas, how they can only make do if workers are paid the absolute minimum required by law. We expect people to be responsible for their own finances. Why can't we expect businesses and companies to be responsible for their own finances too?
If an individual can't support his current lifestyle, then he needs to make changes. If a business skates on that thin line, and something goes wrong, THEY TOO need to make changes. Otherwise, close down shop because what it really means for them is they too weren't successful.
You have a point there: when a worker complains that the wages are too low, they are told to suck it up.
When companies put in kiosks to replace workers, whether or not minimum wage hikes were a factor or not, people blame the workers for asking for a higher minimum wage.
It is the ONLY moral mechanism for determining the value of work.
Well, laws still need to be followed. Can't employ children, bosses can't ask for sexual favors, etc. Folks get chastised if they don't tip (because after all, tipping in the US is completely optional). But then you have a big shot like Disney that can't even pay their workers above what they have now.
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One's cost of living is irrelevant to the value of a job. If one cannot afford to live on what a job pays, one needs to secure alternative sources of funds. A better paying job, or an additional job, would be a good start.
It can be in some circles. If you're setting up shop in a high cost of living area, you can't expect to underpay your employees when they'll just run to your competition.
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When the Universal Declaration of Human Rights becomes the law of the land in the US, it will then be something to concern ourselves with. Until then, it is irrelevant.
I understand. Until a law or public pressure really ramps up to that point, then you won't care about it (and this is meant in the most neutral tone I can muster online). However, threads like these are about BOTH what we do now, and how things should change, so both camps will continue to be posting, even if we'll be arguing past each other.
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